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Re: hours since 1-1-1
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description: qian wrote: > Dear IDL users: > > Is there an IDL function/program that converts the unidata time unit to > more readable format? > > For example: hours since 1-1-1 17338824 -> Jan 1 1979. Oh no, not hours since 1-1-1 again! That must be the silliest ever date-time origin ever invented for modern data! I mean, what calendar were they using then and why should I have to care? Anyway, IDL has the JULDAY function, which calculates time in Julian days, ie time since 12:00 hours on 1 Jan 4713BC. (OK, I withdraw my comment about 1 Jan 0001 being the silliest ever date-time origin.) The confusing things you have to remember: - JULDAY uses the weird month, day, year order for dates. - The Julian date reaches an integral at 12:00 each day, not at 00:00. - JULDAY accepts optional hour, minute, second arguments. With them it returns the true Julian date-time as a double precision floating point number. Without them it returns the Julian date to be reached at 12:00 on the day in question as an integer. (Got that?) Consider the following calculations IDL> print, julday(1,1,1,0,0,0) 1721423.5 IDL> print, julday(1,1,1979,0,0,0)-julday(1,1,1,0,0,0) 722451.00 IDL> print, 24*(julday(1,1,1979,0,0,0)-julday(1,1,1,0,0,0)) 17338824. It seems that JULDAY agrees with you and with Unidata, that 00:00 on 1 Jan 1979 was 722451 days == 17338824 hours after 00:00 on 1 Jan 0001. IDL also offers the CALDAT function, to convert Julian date-times to calendar date-times and the calendar format codes that let it express real numbers as date-time strings (on the assumption they are Julian date-times). So to deal with "hours after 1-1-1" in IDl convert them to Julian date-times immediately (divide by 24 then add 1721423.5D0) and then use IDL's built-in facilities thereafter. -- Mark Hadfield "Kei puwaha te tai nei, Hoea tahi tatou" m.hadfield@niwa.co.nz National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA)
creator: Mark Hadfield
date: 2005-07-27T03:00:52-00:00

Re: hours since 1-1-1
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description: Mark Hadfield wrote: ... > Anyway, IDL has the JULDAY function, which calculates time in Julian > days, ie time since 12:00 hours on 1 Jan 4713BC. (OK, I withdraw my > comment about 1 Jan 0001 being the silliest ever date-time origin.) The epoch for the Julian Day system may seem silly, but it was originally designed for use with ancient historical data. Its of special interest to astronomers, who are interested in knowing exactly how long ago an ancient astronomer observed a particular event. 4713 BC is the year on which three different cycles associated with widely used ancient calendar systems were all in sync. Of course, nobody was using any of those calendar systems at that time, it's just a theoretical connection based upon running those calendar systems backward until the cycles are in sync. That synchronization makes it easier to calculate the Julian day for each of those calendar systems, and therefore to compare dates recorded in each of those systems with each other.
creator: James Kuyper
date: 2005-07-27T04:40:53-00:00

Re: hours since 1-1-1
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description: >> Anyway, IDL has the JULDAY function, which calculates time in Julian >> days, ie time since 12:00 hours on 1 Jan 4713BC. (OK, I withdraw my >> comment about 1 Jan 0001 being the silliest ever date-time origin.) > > > The epoch for the Julian Day system may seem silly, but it was > originally designed for use with ancient historical data. Actually, I love Julian Day for one simple reason. No matter what data I'm looking at, I never have to use negative numbers to represent the date. You wouldn't believe what kind of hilarity ensues when you try to work with dates as negative numbers. I give the Silliest Epoch Award to Macintosh for their selection Jan 1, 1904 as their base epoch for MacOS. Apparently, they were originally going to use Jan 1, 1900 which seems to be a logical choice, but then someone remembered that 1900 was not a leap year. Every four years after 1900 there would be a leap year until 2100. By not including 1900, they then didn't have to bother with coding those extra pesky leap year rules that everyone always forgets. And to make things even better, it was easiest for them to start their epoch on a leap year and so 1904 became their epoch. Hopefully, no one will be running MacOS in 2100. Besides, the rest of us have to make it past 2038 first. :-) -Mike
creator: Michael Wallace
date: 2005-07-27T21:32:34-00:00

Re: hours since 1-1-1
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description: kuyper@wizard.net wrote: We prefer Julian Seconds which were initial defined by Ray Sterner at JHUapl. http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/s1r/idl/s1rlib/time/time.html cheers Reimar > Mark Hadfield wrote: > ... >> Anyway, IDL has the JULDAY function, which calculates time in Julian >> days, ie time since 12:00 hours on 1 Jan 4713BC. (OK, I withdraw my >> comment about 1 Jan 0001 being the silliest ever date-time origin.) > > The epoch for the Julian Day system may seem silly, but it was > originally designed for use with ancient historical data. Its of > special interest to astronomers, who are interested in knowing exactly > how long ago an ancient astronomer observed a particular event. 4713 BC > is the year on which three different cycles associated with widely used > ancient calendar systems were all in sync. Of course, nobody was using > any of those calendar systems at that time, it's just a theoretical > connection based upon running those calendar systems backward until the > cycles are in sync. That synchronization makes it easier to calculate > the Julian day for each of those calendar systems, and therefore to > compare dates recorded in each of those systems with each other.
creator: R.Bauer
date: 2005-08-04T13:51:12-00:00