| Re: rewriting from IDL to PVwave [message #11110] |
Thu, 12 March 1998 00:00 |
Ebeth Jones
Messages: 6
Registered: March 1998
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Peter Suetterlin wrote:
>>> My guess is that if the program did anything useful, that
>>> it would be quite painful. :-) But it really depends
>>> entirely on the program. Programs that use graphical
>>> user interfaces would be the most painful, probably.
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>> I agree with David. Chances are you would quickly eat up any cost savings
>> in staying with the PV-WAVE license by rewriting the IDL code. GUI's are
>> quite different between the two as far as coding is concerned. Behind the
>> GUI's are the event handlers, which are also quite different. No doubt
>> that it can be done, just probably not cost-effectively.
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> As you (indirectly) said: This is only true for code that uses the
> widget-capabilities of IDL. Code that does not use them normally will
> run fine both in IDL and PV-Wave. At least my Image-reconstruction
> package does, and I can assure that it *does* something usefull :-)
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> Peter
ick, this doesn't sound good. However, I'm not really worried about the
GUI part, the code I have looks like it has just one program that takes
care of all the interface stuff, and I think I can rewrite this because
I've used Motif before. What I'm really worried about are all the
number
crunching routines that I have that are written as procedures - they do
lots of spatial processing and such, and they look like they are just
number crunchers without any specific graphics calls. I would prefer
not to rewrite these if I can get away with it. Are there any things
that I should be on the lookout for between IDL and PVwave in these that
would make the thing hang up if I tried to just rewrite the GUI and
stuff the *.pro number crunching code behind it?
Elizabeth
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| Re: rewriting from IDL to PVwave [message #11111 is a reply to message #11110] |
Thu, 12 March 1998 00:00  |
pit
Messages: 92
Registered: January 1996
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In article <mgs-1103982136260001@sc22-17-81.thegrid.net>,
mgs@sd.cybernex.net (Mike Schienle) writes:
> In article <MPG.f70d0ed635303f7989746@news.frii.com>, davidf@dfanning.com
> (David Fanning) wrote:
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>> Elizabeth Jones (Elizabeth.Jones@lmco.com) writes:
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>>> Athoughts on how painful it would
>>> be for an absolute IDL/PVwave newbie to rewrite the IDL
>>> code to run under PVWave?
>>
>> My guess is that if the program did anything useful, that
>> it would be quite painful. :-) But it really depends
>> entirely on the program. Programs that use graphical
>> user interfaces would be the most painful, probably.
>
> I agree with David. Chances are you would quickly eat up any cost savings
> in staying with the PV-WAVE license by rewriting the IDL code. GUI's are
> quite different between the two as far as coding is concerned. Behind the
> GUI's are the event handlers, which are also quite different. No doubt
> that it can be done, just probably not cost-effectively.
As you (indirectly) said: This is only true for code that uses the
widget-capabilities of IDL. Code that does not use them normally will
run fine both in IDL and PV-Wave. At least my Image-reconstruction
package does, and I can assure that it *does* something usefull :-)
Peter
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| Re: rewriting from IDL to PVwave [message #11113 is a reply to message #11110] |
Wed, 11 March 1998 00:00 |
grunes
Messages: 68
Registered: September 1993
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Ebeth Jones wrote:
> ick, this doesn't sound good. However, I'm not really worried about the
> GUI part, the code I have looks like it has just one program that takes
> care of all the interface stuff, and I think I can rewrite this because
> I've used Motif before. What I'm really worried about are all the
> number
> crunching routines that I have that are written as procedures - they do
> lots of spatial processing and such, and they look like they are just
> number crunchers without any specific graphics calls. I would prefer
> not to rewrite these if I can get away with it. Are there any things
> that I should be on the lookout for between IDL and PVwave in these that
> would make the thing hang up if I tried to just rewrite the GUI and
> stuff the *.pro number crunching code behind it?
I often try to write stuff to work in both. It is somewhat of a pain.
Number crunching isn't too bad--except for a few subtleties like the
data types returned by abs, and the shapes of some sub-arrays with
1 element in one of the dimensions, and the absence in PV-WAVE of double
precision complex (unless they have added it recently), they are quite
similar. I often use REFORM() to get over the shape problems.
There are also some interpolation and image reading functions that are
present
in one and not the other, some functions that have extra keywords in one
package,
and so forth.
Image display and widgets are the parts that are really dificult to make
work
in both.
What I suggest you do if some things won't compile or run because
something
is missing in one is to get the free trial version of IDL, start it up
and
type ? to bring up help, then search for the function or procedure in
question.
This will tell you what it was supposed to do. Anyway, for some
purposes
I find the IDL online help easier to read, especially if I don't know
what
some feature is called, or what sub-package it is a part of, though that
statement
is based on a very old version of PV-WAVE, and a recent version of IDL.
If you are lucky, and the software runs in less than the 10 minutes the
free
trial version allows (and you get rid of all file output), you can also
cross
check final and intermediate results between the two packages.
IDL has recently tried to incorporate "object oriented programming". If
the
code uses any of that, good luck.
Personally I've been seriously considering writing an
IDL/WAVE-to-generic-Fortran/C
converter for the number crunching component of IDL/WAVE, even though it
would be
quite hard to make perfect, and probably require some user inputs.
Probably not
enough interest out there to make it worth the considerable effort
involved.
If the problem turns out to be dificult, maybe you should buy the other
package too!
Lockheed-Martin isn't quite poor and starving.
As with most computer language translation, the best converter is an
experienced programmer.
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| Re: rewriting from IDL to PVwave [message #11114 is a reply to message #11113] |
Wed, 11 March 1998 00:00 |
mgs
Messages: 144
Registered: March 1995
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In article <MPG.f70d0ed635303f7989746@news.frii.com>, davidf@dfanning.com
(David Fanning) wrote:
> Elizabeth Jones (Elizabeth.Jones@lmco.com) writes:
>
>> Athoughts on how painful it would
>> be for an absolute IDL/PVwave newbie to rewrite the IDL
>> code to run under PVWave?
>
> My guess is that if the program did anything useful, that
> it would be quite painful. :-) But it really depends
> entirely on the program. Programs that use graphical
> user interfaces would be the most painful, probably.
I agree with David. Chances are you would quickly eat up any cost savings
in staying with the PV-WAVE license by rewriting the IDL code. GUI's are
quite different between the two as far as coding is concerned. Behind the
GUI's are the event handlers, which are also quite different. No doubt
that it can be done, just probably not cost-effectively.
--
Mike Schienle Interactive Visuals
mgs@sd.cybernex.net http://ww2.sd.cybernex.net/~mgs/
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| Re: rewriting from IDL to PVwave [message #11116 is a reply to message #11113] |
Wed, 11 March 1998 00:00 |
davidf
Messages: 2866
Registered: September 1996
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Senior Member |
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Elizabeth Jones (Elizabeth.Jones@lmco.com) writes:
> Athoughts on how painful it would
> be for an absolute IDL/PVwave newbie to rewrite the IDL
> code to run under PVWave?
My guess is that if the program did anything useful, that
it would be quite painful. :-) But it really depends
entirely on the program. Programs that use graphical
user interfaces would be the most painful, probably.
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting
E-Mail: davidf@dfanning.com
Phone: 970-221-0438
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
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