| Mac top level widget [message #16340] |
Tue, 20 July 1999 00:00  |
Pavel Romashkin
Messages: 166
Registered: April 1999
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Hi,
I have recently switched from X-Win IDL to MAc version. Whether thats
good or bad is a personal preference; of course, Mac IDL did freak out
at a few spots in my "compatible" code, where neither a PC nor Unix had
a problem. Well, that's fixed, and PC and Unix do not reject the
Macintized code. I must say that, on the good side, IDL native object
graphics on the screen of my Mac work just as fast as direct graphics -
totally unbelievable (I had not tried to print yet :-).
Now, I have a question. Once I delete and re-create a widget in a
hierarchy, a middle-level base expands vertically by a few pixels every
time. Simply put, I have:
top = widget_base()
left_panel = widget_base(top)
option1_panel=widget_base(left_panel, /col)
sub_panel = widget_base(left_panel, /row)
buttons = widget_button(active_panel, value='Some_button')
When I kill BUTTONS and re-create it, the YSIZE of LEFT_PANEL increases
by 3 pixels. The YSIZE of other intermediate bases remains the same. I
checked and LEFT_PANEL has no other children that I might have
accidentially incresed in size while manipulating the button.
My sample code is a target for those optimzed programmers: why, you say,
do you want to kill and re-create to begin with. Well, in the real code
it is not a button but a bunch of them (or cw_bgroup), and they change
every time a pulldown list is activated. I can either keep a wide
assortment of them and map or unmap, or I can kill them and re-create.
The latter was easier because I really don't need their IDs, just use
their events.
Anyway, whether optimal or not, this code does not cause the LEFT_PANEL
growth on any other platform, I tried.
Does anybody know why is this happening on the Mac?
Thanks,
Pavel
P.S. I heard, Mac is the buggiest platform to run IDL :-(
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| Re: Mac top level widget [message #16415 is a reply to message #16340] |
Wed, 21 July 1999 00:00  |
Patrick V. Ford
Messages: 14
Registered: February 1997
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In article <379607CC.D860B5E6@cmdl.noaa.gov>, Pavel Romashkin
<promashkin@cmdl.noaa.gov> wrote:
> David Fanning wrote:
>
>> Pavel Romashkin (promashkin@cmdl.noaa.gov) writes:
>>
>>> I must say that, on the good side, IDL native object
>>> graphics on the screen of my Mac work just as fast as direct graphics -
>>> totally unbelievable (I had not tried to print yet :-).
>>
>> Uh, huh. Get back in touch with us soon. :-)
>
> No way, not on this! I am not even going to allow a user to print from this
> application - let them be happy it at least calculates reasonable values :-)
>
>> I don't know one way or the other about this, but it
>> sounds like a lot of other, similar bugs on this and other
>> platforms. I would definitely run it by the folks at RSI.
>
> Will do that. I heard, nobody at RSI stays on the Mac development position
> for too long :-(
>
>>> P.S. I heard, Mac is the buggiest platform to run IDL :-(
>>
>> I heard it is the hardest operating system to write code for.
>> Probably explains the bugs. :-)
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> I think it is the wierdest of all platforms. At least my Mac clone does not
> let me get bored: for instance, I can be typing and then discover that my
> application silently quit, without a beep or any sort of error message.
> Fun, huh? I had this happened most often with MS Word - I guess MS is
> trying to sabotage the competitor platform ... Then I get to locate where
> the hell did I make the last change, before it crashed. IDL quit on me just
> once so far, it did not like my Macintizing of the Unix code :-(
> Cheers,
> Pavel
Which MacOS are you using? Pauses are usually due to an extension or HD
driver. While I do simple things in IDL on a MAC and therefore do not
stress it, I have found, in general, that of all the systems I have to
use, the SUN is thne most stable. Considering the limitation place on
the software restrictions place by IS, Windows 95/98/NT is not nearly
as stable compared to the Mac as claimed. (I had 3 crashes today.)
BTW, MacOS X is UNIX, therefore if one wants to replace the Mac GUI
with x-windows on can.
Patrick Ford, MD
pford@bcm.tmc.edu
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| Re: Mac top level widget [message #16418 is a reply to message #16340] |
Wed, 21 July 1999 00:00 |
Pavel Romashkin
Messages: 166
Registered: April 1999
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David Fanning wrote:
> Pavel Romashkin (promashkin@cmdl.noaa.gov) writes:
>
>> I must say that, on the good side, IDL native object
>> graphics on the screen of my Mac work just as fast as direct graphics -
>> totally unbelievable (I had not tried to print yet :-).
>
> Uh, huh. Get back in touch with us soon. :-)
No way, not on this! I am not even going to allow a user to print from this
application - let them be happy it at least calculates reasonable values :-)
> I don't know one way or the other about this, but it
> sounds like a lot of other, similar bugs on this and other
> platforms. I would definitely run it by the folks at RSI.
Will do that. I heard, nobody at RSI stays on the Mac development position
for too long :-(
>> P.S. I heard, Mac is the buggiest platform to run IDL :-(
>
> I heard it is the hardest operating system to write code for.
> Probably explains the bugs. :-)
I think it is the wierdest of all platforms. At least my Mac clone does not
let me get bored: for instance, I can be typing and then discover that my
application silently quit, without a beep or any sort of error message.
Fun, huh? I had this happened most often with MS Word - I guess MS is
trying to sabotage the competitor platform ... Then I get to locate where
the hell did I make the last change, before it crashed. IDL quit on me just
once so far, it did not like my Macintizing of the Unix code :-(
Cheers,
Pavel
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| Re: Mac top level widget [message #16461 is a reply to message #16340] |
Mon, 26 July 1999 00:00 |
Pavel Romashkin
Messages: 166
Registered: April 1999
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Patrick,
I appreciate the offer but my code does not crash - everything is working fine. I
had another crash the other day but that was an OS problem - no other application
worked either. I need a better computer I think. But I will keep the offer in
mind :-)
Cheers,
Pavel
Patrick Ford wrote:
> Would you be willing to let met try the IDL probram that crashes? I am
> using V 8.6 on a clone, powerwave, with a G3 upgrade card and I have
> never had a crash with IDL except when I used call_external that had
> memory allocation/reference errors.
>
> I am going on vacation for 2 weeks, so if you are interested in me
> seeing if it is a Mac problem you may have to wait. Also there are some
> extension that correct PCI bus errors on some clones. Do you have it?
>
> Regards
>
> Patrick Ford
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| Re: Mac top level widget [message #16475 is a reply to message #16340] |
Fri, 23 July 1999 00:00 |
Patrick V. Ford
Messages: 14
Registered: February 1997
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In article <379759FE.269044DB@cmdl.noaa.gov>, Pavel Romashkin
<promashkin@cmdl.noaa.gov> wrote:
>> Which MacOS are you using?
>
> 8.1, running off of the standard and extended partitions.
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>> Pauses are usually due to an extension or HD
>> driver.
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> Oh, pauses would be fine! Freezes and crashes is what I like less. I has
> only
> once over a year crashed IDL on my Win95 PC, doing same things as I do on Unix
> and Mac. My problem is not the software on the Mac either - it is a computer
> itself. We have a few of these clones of which one works like a charm, mine
> works so-so and another one can't work for longer than 15 minutes without a
> crash
> :-( I feel it is a poor SCSI bus design. IDL never crashed the OS for me on
> any
> platform, although I had IDL itsel crash numerously when doing some wierd
> things
> and overusing pointers.
> To be short: IDL is great! Macs I don't like although GUI is nice.
> Cheers,
> Pavel
Would you be willing to let met try the IDL probram that crashes? I am
using V 8.6 on a clone, powerwave, with a G3 upgrade card and I have
never had a crash with IDL except when I used call_external that had
memory allocation/reference errors.
I am going on vacation for 2 weeks, so if you are interested in me
seeing if it is a Mac problem you may have to wait. Also there are some
extension that correct PCI bus errors on some clones. Do you have it?
Regards
Patrick Ford
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| Re: Mac top level widget [message #16476 is a reply to message #16340] |
Fri, 23 July 1999 00:00 |
Pavel Romashkin
Messages: 166
Registered: April 1999
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Senior Member |
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Answer to my own question suddenly came in the form of an upgrade to IDL
5.2.1. The "feature" I brought to your attention in the original posting
is not showing in 5.2.1 - the code is absolutely the same. I like this.
Also they promised that postscript file size will in 5.2.1 be 1/4 of what
it was before when priniting object graphics. David, this way I may save
my lazy butt from writing direct graphics objects, do you think? :-)
Cheers,
Pavel
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