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Strange behavior on Unix [message #18728] Tue, 01 February 2000 00:00 Go to next message
Dave Brennan is currently offline  Dave Brennan
Messages: 28
Registered: December 1998
Junior Member
Hi,

Has anyone notice strange behavior from IDL 5.3 on unix systems? (Apart
from bad programming!)

I have noticed 2 things.

1) When saving programs and then compiling them to run the compiler, on
occasion, complains of syntax errors.
When I check what the problem is, I find that strange characters appear
within the code (often near where I have edited) that resemble r's in
subscript. Why do these appear? When I delete them the code works fine
again.

2) If I have run a program which has finished, and I now edit the
program, the processor on my sun continues to run at 100%. This is only
resolved by exiting IDL and restarting.

These problems seem to have appeared only in IDL 5.3. Could it be
related to the new colour editor now supplied with unix versions of IDL.

If others have noticed this I will mention it to .

Hopefully, there will be enough unix users to convince Research Systems
to repair the bugs. (Sorry I am still grumpy about the lack of unix
GUI!)

Cheers

Dave B
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18801 is a reply to message #18728] Sat, 05 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
davidf is currently offline  davidf
Messages: 2866
Registered: September 1996
Senior Member
Anne (anne.martel@nottingham.ac.uk) writes:

> Yes - it does seem unfair that the gui editor isn't available on unix
> especially when unix users are paying significantly more for each license.

I'm going to give the crusade up after this, but I think
you really should be grateful for these small favors RSI
does for you. :-)

Cheers,

David
--
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Fanning Software Consulting
Phone: 970-221-0438 E-Mail: davidf@dfanning.com
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Toll-Free IDL Book Orders: 1-888-461-0155
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18817 is a reply to message #18728] Fri, 04 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anne is currently offline  anne
Messages: 9
Registered: February 2000
Junior Member
Dave Brennan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone notice strange behavior from IDL 5.3 on unix systems? (Apart
> from bad programming!)
>
> I have noticed 2 things.
>
> 1) When saving programs and then compiling them to run the compiler, on
> occasion, complains of syntax errors.
> When I check what the problem is, I find that strange characters appear
> within the code (often near where I have edited) that resemble r's in
> subscript. Why do these appear? When I delete them the code works fine
> again.
>

I have also had this problem on both Sun and SGI platforms and it's driving
me nuts! Deleting the text and rewriting it doesn't always work so I've
wasted time chasing bugs I can't even see! I have just started to use idlde
instead of working from the old fashioned command promt but I'm beginning to
wonder if it's the right decision.

>
> 2) If I have run a program which has finished, and I now edit the
> program, the processor on my sun continues to run at 100%. This is only
> resolved by exiting IDL and restarting.
>
> These problems seem to have appeared only in IDL 5.3. Could it be
> related to the new colour editor now supplied with unix versions of IDL.
>

I'm not sure about the cause but I have also had to crash out of idlde
several times because it's running some unknown process.

> Hopefully, there will be enough unix users to convince Research Systems
> to repair the bugs. (Sorry I am still grumpy about the lack of unix
> GUI!)
>

Yes - it does seem unfair that the gui editor isn't available on unix
especially when unix users are paying significantly more for each license.

Anne M.
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18886 is a reply to message #18728] Fri, 11 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John-David T. Smith is currently offline  John-David T. Smith
Messages: 384
Registered: January 2000
Senior Member
Patrick Broos wrote:
>
> Here at Penn State we're sticking with IDL 5.2 indefinately because
> idlde under 5.3 (in Solaris) cannot deal with .pro files that are longer
> than about 1800 lines. RSI acknowleges the bug, says it's only Solaris
> and 5.3, and says they probably won't fix it until 5.4. It really stinks
> to be loyal to an OS (unix) that has so little market leverage.

Recommendation:
Command-Line IDL + IDLWAVE Emacs mode... you'll never look back.

JD

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Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18900 is a reply to message #18728] Fri, 11 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Struan Gray is currently offline  Struan Gray
Messages: 178
Registered: December 1995
Senior Member
David Fanning, davidf@dfanning.com writes:

> The bottom line is this: even with buggy software, American
> worker production was up 5% last year. *Something* must be
> working right!

What platform did they use to collate the stats?


Struan
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18903 is a reply to message #18728] Thu, 10 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Schienle is currently offline  Mike Schienle
Messages: 37
Registered: May 1997
Member
In article <MPG.130ce487641460b7989a27@news.frii.com>,
davidf@dfanning.com (David Fanning) wrote:

[tales of UNIX and PC woes deleted]

> The bottom line is this: even with buggy software, American
> worker production was up 5% last year. *Something* must be
> working right!

Mac sales were up.


Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll go screw myself now.

--
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mgs@ivsoftware.com Remote Sensing and Image Processing
http://www.ivsoftware.com/ Analysis and Application Development
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18905 is a reply to message #18728] Thu, 10 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
davidf is currently offline  davidf
Messages: 2866
Registered: September 1996
Senior Member
Patrick Broos (patb@astro.psu.edu) writes:

> Here at Penn State we're sticking with IDL 5.2 indefinately because
> idlde under 5.3 (in Solaris) cannot deal with .pro files that are longer
> than about 1800 lines. RSI acknowleges the bug, says it's only Solaris
> and 5.3, and says they probably won't fix it until 5.4. It really stinks
> to be loyal to an OS (unix) that has so little market leverage.

The alternative is to join the Microsoft baggy-eye brigade
and spend your weekend wee-hours trying to get your machine
stable again. I'll say this for the pain: it takes your mind
off IDL's deficiencies. :-)

Cheers,

David

P.S. I heard from someone this week who wanted to install
Internet Explorer 5 on Windows NT 4. His IDL 5.3 installation
went all to hell. Finally, RSI technical support told him the two
pieces of software don't work together. Can't run IE5 and
projects together, I guess. This came as news to me, since
I've been running that particular combination of software
in what I thought was a successful fashion for several months
now. Let's just say I'm turning really, really red from
holding my breath. :-(

The bottom line is this: even with buggy software, American
worker production was up 5% last year. *Something* must be
working right!

--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting
Phone: 970-221-0438 E-Mail: davidf@dfanning.com
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Toll-Free IDL Book Orders: 1-888-461-0155
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18907 is a reply to message #18728] Thu, 10 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Broos is currently offline  Patrick Broos
Messages: 27
Registered: December 1996
Junior Member
Here at Penn State we're sticking with IDL 5.2 indefinately because

idlde under 5.3 (in Solaris) cannot deal with .pro files that are longer

than about 1800 lines. RSI acknowleges the bug, says it's only Solaris

and 5.3, and says they probably won't fix it until 5.4. It really stinks

to be loyal to an OS (unix) that has so little market leverage.

Regards,

Pat
============================================================ ========
Patrick S. Broos, Systems Analyst/Programmer patb@astro.psu.edu

Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics My office 814-863-5505
Penn State University
525 Davey Lab FAX 814-863-8686
University Park, PA 16802-6305
http://www.astro.psu.edu Group office 863-9550
============================================================ ========
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #18954 is a reply to message #18728] Wed, 16 February 2000 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
George McCabe is currently offline  George McCabe
Messages: 23
Registered: June 1997
Junior Member
"J.D. Smith" wrote:

> Recommendation:
> Command-Line IDL + IDLWAVE Emacs mode... you'll never look back.

i agree. the idlde is an undependable interface, whose benefits do not exceed
its defecits. certainly in the unix environment where a little familiarity
with shell configuration files goes a long way. the best development
environment is your favorite text editor and a command shell.

george

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NASA / Goddard Space Flight Center / Code 693 / Greenbelt, MD
voice: (301)286-8283, fax: (301)286-0212
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Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #19358 is a reply to message #18728] Wed, 08 March 2000 00:00 Go to previous message
Chris Mulliss is currently offline  Chris Mulliss
Messages: 5
Registered: March 2000
Junior Member
Yep,

I have noticed the problem with IDL 5.3 inserting the "r"-like
character. I have also found that this often occurs when you cut-and-paste
or otherwise edit text.

RSI told me that they bought the editor portion of the IDLDE environment
from a software firm - guess they should have programmed it themselves.

-chris



Dave Brennan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone notice strange behavior from IDL 5.3 on unix systems? (Apart
> from bad programming!)
>
> I have noticed 2 things.
>
> 1) When saving programs and then compiling them to run the compiler, on
> occasion, complains of syntax errors.
> When I check what the problem is, I find that strange characters appear
> within the code (often near where I have edited) that resemble r's in
> subscript. Why do these appear? When I delete them the code works fine
> again.
>
> 2) If I have run a program which has finished, and I now edit the
> program, the processor on my sun continues to run at 100%. This is only
> resolved by exiting IDL and restarting.
>
> These problems seem to have appeared only in IDL 5.3. Could it be
> related to the new colour editor now supplied with unix versions of IDL.
>
> If others have noticed this I will mention it to .
>
> Hopefully, there will be enough unix users to convince Research Systems
> to repair the bugs. (Sorry I am still grumpy about the lack of unix
> GUI!)
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave B
Re: Strange behavior on Unix [message #19359 is a reply to message #18728] Wed, 08 March 2000 00:00 Go to previous message
Chris Mulliss is currently offline  Chris Mulliss
Messages: 5
Registered: March 2000
Junior Member
Nope,

I have the same problem running IDL 5.3 on an SGI (IRIX 6.5). They told
me that they couldn't reproduce the error in their labs.

-Chris

Patrick Broos wrote:

> Here at Penn State we're sticking with IDL 5.2 indefinately because
>
> idlde under 5.3 (in Solaris) cannot deal with .pro files that are longer
>
> than about 1800 lines. RSI acknowleges the bug, says it's only Solaris
>
> and 5.3, and says they probably won't fix it until 5.4. It really stinks
>
> to be loyal to an OS (unix) that has so little market leverage.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pat
> ============================================================ ========
> Patrick S. Broos, Systems Analyst/Programmer patb@astro.psu.edu
>
> Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics My office 814-863-5505
> Penn State University
> 525 Davey Lab FAX 814-863-8686
> University Park, PA 16802-6305
> http://www.astro.psu.edu Group office 863-9550
> ============================================================ ========
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