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Re: RSI is a money thirsty beast!! [message #2242] Wed, 15 June 1994 11:19
jwbruce is currently offline  jwbruce
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In article <CrEL3z.7Mv@world.std.com>, harmonic@world.std.com (Beau Paisley) writes:
|> In article <CrE7yM.Co5@anat.UMSMED.EDU> cvb@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Christopher Buskirk) writes:
|> >In article <ghsu-unstable.771181527@nswc.navy.mil> ghsu%unstable@nswc.navy.mil (Guan-Hsong Hsu) writes:
|> >
|> >> I think we need a GNU version of IDL/Matlab clone!


There is a free software package written by John W. Eaton which is distributed
under the GNU/FSF license. It is called _Octave_ and is available from

ftp://ftp.che.utexas.edu/pub/octave


|> >
|> >Amen. This is a sad situation.
|> >
|>
|> There are several excellent competitive alternatives that cost much less.
|> i.e., O-Matrix, xMath, etc.
|>
|>

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Re: RSI is a money thirsty beast!! [message #2252 is a reply to message #2242] Tue, 14 June 1994 13:04 Go to previous message
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In article <CrE7yM.Co5@anat.UMSMED.EDU> cvb@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Christopher Buskirk) writes:
> In article <ghsu-unstable.771181527@nswc.navy.mil> ghsu%unstable@nswc.navy.mil (Guan-Hsong Hsu) writes:
>
>> I think we need a GNU version of IDL/Matlab clone!
>
> Amen. This is a sad situation.
>

There are several excellent competitive alternatives that cost much less.
i.e., O-Matrix, xMath, etc.
Re: RSI is a money thirsty beast!! [message #2258 is a reply to message #2252] Tue, 14 June 1994 08:20 Go to previous message
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In article <ghsu-unstable.771181527@nswc.navy.mil> ghsu%unstable@nswc.navy.mil (Guan-Hsong Hsu) writes:
> Hi, There,
> I have just found out that RSI requires each individual users of
> IDL to send in $200 to register in order to get technical support.
> Here's what they say :
>
> ...
>>
> using IDL, I have seen the price of a license going up and up.
> Restrictions on usage get worse. RSI has turned from a small,
> technically oriented outfit into this horrible money sucking beast.
> It is really sad. Is Visual Numeric just as $$ thirsty?
> Mathworks is perhaps just as bad. Every little toolbox costs $K.
> But at least they don't require each user to pay in order to get
> support. Maybe they are all just as bad.

RSI is THE most competitive (& competent) alternative out there isn't it?
Everyone else charges you yearly fees just to use the old software you
bought ages ago.


> I think we need a GNU version of IDL/Matlab clone!

Amen. This is a sad situation.



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Re: RSI is a money thirsty beast!! [message #2262 is a reply to message #2258] Mon, 13 June 1994 02:01 Go to previous message
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In article <gate.gLHsNc1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, andy@pong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew F. Loughe) writes:
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|> There prices are not LOW, but their product is reasonably robust and getting
|> better (I think) all the time. We are happy to pay what is necessary for them
|> to stay around. I do wish, however, that the money were spent to improve some
|> of the core routines that aren't quite right (like I think they are doing with
|> contour) before they begin working on new Gee-whiz features that I may never
|> use. This newsgroup is full of complaints about interpolation problems,
|> contouring mistakes, documentation omissions, etc.
|>
|> ...just an alternative view...

which I would sign, too. And let me add a question: is anybody
out there missinf a type DCOMPLEX besides me? I would need it know
for a program using lots of FFT calls. And I don't see a reason for the
restriction to only single precision real and imag. part. And at least
if you've got an RS/6000 which is even faster on double than on
single ...

- Ralf

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Re: RSI is a money thirsty beast!! [message #2273 is a reply to message #2262] Fri, 10 June 1994 09:18 Go to previous message
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Guan-Hsong Hsu,

I suppose one could think of RSI as a "money thirsty beast", but then again
they are simply trying to survive as software developers in a market which
has some real stiff competition. They have to be able to pay good programmers
and support people what they are worth, or the whole company will lose out to
those who *ARE* willing and able to pay for the good people. I am sure that
marketing also costs them a pretty penny, and the acquisition of more users
is vital to sustaining a competitive business. They can't allow other
companies to obtain an increasingly large client base without trying to do the
same (hopefully at a faster pace). This all costs $$, so we are paying for
their survival with the hope that the product's value (to us anyway) will
increase.

There prices are not LOW, but their product is reasonably robust and getting
better (I think) all the time. We are happy to pay what is necessary for them
to stay around. I do wish, however, that the money were spent to improve some
of the core routines that aren't quite right (like I think they are doing with
contour) before they begin working on new Gee-whiz features that I may never
use. This newsgroup is full of complaints about interpolation problems,
contouring mistakes, documentation omissions, etc.

...just an alternative view...

Andy

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Re: RSI is a money thirsty beast!! [message #2288 is a reply to message #2273] Fri, 10 June 1994 09:18 Go to previous message
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Guan-Hsong Hsu,

I suppose one could think of RSI as a "money thirsty beast", but then again
they are simply trying to survive as software developers in a market which
has some real stiff competition. They have to be able to pay good programmers
and support people what they are worth, or the whole company will lose out to
those who *ARE* willing and able to pay for the good people. I am sure that
marketing also costs them a pretty penny, and the acquisition of more users
is vital to sustaining a competitive business. They can't allow other
companies to obtain an increasingly large client base without trying to do the
same (hopefully at a faster pace). This all costs $$, so we are paying for
their survival with the hope that the product's value (to us anyway) will
increase.

There prices are not LOW, but their product is reasonably robust and getting
better (I think) all the time. We are happy to pay what is necessary for them
to stay around. I do wish, however, that the money were spent to improve some
of the core routines that aren't quite right (like I think they are doing with
contour) before they begin working on new Gee-whiz features that I may never
use. This newsgroup is full of complaints about interpolation problems,
contouring mistakes, documentation omissions, etc.

...just an alternative view...

Andy

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-\_<, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center phone: (301) 286-5899
(*)/'(*) Greenbelt, MD 20771 email: andy.loughe@gsfc.nasa.gov
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