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Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35609] Thu, 03 July 2003 16:05 Go to next message
Rick Towler is currently offline  Rick Towler
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"Paul van Delst" wrote in message ...
> Rick Towler wrote:
>>
>> And more more importantly, is RSI planning an x86-64 version
>> of IDL for the Opteron and the Lateron?
>
> The Lateron? As in: "Not now, honey....lateron." ???

Exactly :)

The Opteron's sibling the "Clawhammer" aka the Athlon64 has been dubbed the
Lateron by the fellas at theinquirer.net due to it's ever slipping launch
date.

-r
Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35612 is a reply to message #35609] Thu, 03 July 2003 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Van Delst[1] is currently offline  Paul Van Delst[1]
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Rick Towler wrote:
>
> And more more importantly, is RSI planning an x86-64 version of IDL for the
> Opteron and the Lateron?

The Lateron? As in: "Not now, honey....lateron." ???

paulv

p.s. Reminds me of DEC Visual Fortran (DVF) changing its name to CVF when Compaq bought
DEC, and now that Intel bought Compaq (the Fortran compiler-making part at least),
well.... IVF has been a real shot in the arm. :o) Ehem.

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Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35615 is a reply to message #35612] Thu, 03 July 2003 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rick Towler is currently offline  Rick Towler
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"JD Smith" wrote in message...
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:48:10 -0700, Marshall Perrin wrote:
>
>> Richard G. French wrote:
>>> Do any of you have a new G5, and if so, have you run a speed test to
>>> see how it compares to a G4? Thanks!

It is too bad apple didn't submit SPEC CPU2000 results for the PPC G4 (at
least I couldn't find them on the spec site. Maybe you can dig up some
unofficial scores). While the SPEC CPU benchmarks they released for the PPC
970 should be taken with a shaker full of salt the comparison would be a
start.

> And, more importantly, is RSI planning a 64-bit/Altivec version of IDL for
> the G5? Potentially a wickedly fast IDL workstation.

And more more importantly, is RSI planning an x86-64 version of IDL for the
Opteron and the Lateron? With the G5 I think it is not a matter of if but
of when. With x86-64 the future isn't so certain. I would guess it would
depend on demand.


-Rick
Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35618 is a reply to message #35615] Thu, 03 July 2003 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JD Smith is currently offline  JD Smith
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:48:10 -0700, Marshall Perrin wrote:

> Richard G. French <rfrench@wellesley.edu> wrote:
>> Do any of you have a new G5, and if so, have you run a speed test to
>> see how it compares to a G4? Thanks!


And, more importantly, is RSI planning a 64-bit/Altivec version of IDL for
the G5? Potentially a wickedly fast IDL workstation.

JD
Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35672 is a reply to message #35618] Wed, 02 July 2003 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mperrin+news is currently offline  mperrin+news
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Richard G. French <rfrench@wellesley.edu> wrote:
> Do any of you have a new G5, and if so, have you run a speed test to see how
> it compares to a G4? Thanks!

I don't believe the machines are actually shipping until the end of
the summer.

- Marshall
Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35758 is a reply to message #35615] Tue, 08 July 2003 20:58 Go to previous message
Richard French is currently offline  Richard French
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>
> It is too bad apple didn't submit SPEC CPU2000 results for the PPC G4 (at
> least I couldn't find them on the spec site. Maybe you can dig up some
> unofficial scores). While the SPEC CPU benchmarks they released for the PPC
> 970 should be taken with a shaker full of salt the comparison would be a
> start.
>
And from
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-1021642.html:

Although Apple has won praise for the new Macs as a substantial improvement
over earlier machines, some have criticized the choices made in putting
together the rival Dell machine for use in so-called SPEC tests. Apple's
tests used the same GCC compiler for both machines, with the Dell boxes
running the Linux operating system. Critics charge that much higher
benchmarks can be achieved using the Windows OS and an Intel-optimized
compiler, rather than GCC.

"It wasn't really a fair test," said one analyst, who said that the Dell
machines are capable of producing scores 30 percent to 40 percent higher
than those produced under Apple's methodology. "The reason this happened is
Apple had a third party go out and test a Dell under less than optimal
conditions."

In response, an Apple representative said it wanted to compare hardware
performance, so it made sense to use the same compiler on the Mac and the
Dell. The SPEC benchmark tests measure the performance of the hardware and
the compiler.
Re: Speed test on Mac G5, anyone? [message #35759 is a reply to message #35615] Tue, 08 July 2003 20:56 Go to previous message
Richard French is currently offline  Richard French
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>
> It is too bad apple didn't submit SPEC CPU2000 results for the PPC G4 (at
> least I couldn't find them on the spec site. Maybe you can dig up some
> unofficial scores). While the SPEC CPU benchmarks they released for the PPC
> 970 should be taken with a shaker full of salt the comparison would be a
> start.
>
From
http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030625. gtsandyjune25/BN
Story/Technology/

Nice to see that they included Mathematica in the bake-off:


"What really matters, of course, is real world performance. Apple made its
case on Monday with impressive benchmark test results and a series of live
demos that pitted a dual-processor 2.0 GHz PowerMac G5 test system against
two Intel-based computers: a 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 and a 3.06 GHz dual-processor
Xeon system.

"Marketing demos are always chosen to highlight a product's best features.
Past Apple "bake-off" tests have usually featured Adobe Photoshop doing
difficult things with graphics, which played to the Mac's strengths. This
time, however, the demos highlighted graphic performance (Photoshop),
animation (Luxology), pro audio (Logic) and large-scale numerical problem
solving (Mathematica).

"Wolfram Research co-founder Theo Gray concluded his demo of Mathematica
with this observation: "The competition for [the PowerMac G5] is not PCs
anymore. The competition for our customers is high-end workstations that
cost twice as much. And it's faster than all of them, too."
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