| Re: Student version of IDL [message #3852] |
Mon, 10 April 1995 00:00  |
patterso
Messages: 36
Registered: February 1995
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Christopher Boyd (cboyd@ncsa.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: |> You mean RSI is an exceptionally bad company which is trying
: |> to rip off Japanese customers and don't want me to generalize that?
: No Sir, I do not mean this at all. I was surprised to see
: in Japan that the cost of Japanese products was significantly
: higher than the same product abroad. If that is representative
: of the costs of doing business in Japan and(or) the costs of
: distribution, then the price of IDL may be justified.
: What I meant was that there is no point in forgetting civility
: even if the price is not right for you. Regarding the $100 bear,
Is that a grizzly, a polar or a panda?
How did you get an export license for it?
And shouldn't this be in alt.zoos ?
: even though the price was not right for me there were a lot of
: Japanese businessmen there who did not mind paying that amount.
: It may be sir, that you should focus your energy on something positive.
: Regards
: ps. This is my last posting regarding this topic.
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| Re: Student version of IDL [message #3985 is a reply to message #3852] |
Tue, 11 April 1995 00:00  |
kyoakita
Messages: 5
Registered: April 1995
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In article <3me9qn$mfk@pdq.coe.montana.edu>,
uphlabh@gemini.oscs.montana.edu
(Brian Handy) wrote:
:As I understand it, the retail price of IDL going into Japan is probably
:the usual price, something around $1500, plus whatever export duties may
:apply.
Oh, Handy-san, you should have known that RSI doesn't sell that way to
Japanese customers, and that is why ISAS is taking so long to negotiate
with the Japanese distributer to purchase IDL for new machines there.
Yohkoh project (Japanese side, at least) has been in trouble since RSI
stopped direct distribution.
You could get it for $1500 because it was paid by american organization.
:I believe, sir, the people you need to be disgusted with are your own.
I don't deny that. I have already made a complaint to them. Their answer
was the price is defined in the contract with IDL and cannnot be
changed...
Anyway, that is why I am trying to purchase directly from RSI. But RSI
fefuses that (maybe because of the contract with the Japanese
distributer:-(
So, I am disgusted with RSI as well. Sigh...
Regards,
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| Re: Student version of IDL [message #3986 is a reply to message #3852] |
Tue, 11 April 1995 00:00 |
kyoakita
Messages: 5
Registered: April 1995
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In article <gurman-1004952149530001@arrowroot.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
gurman@uvsp.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman) wrote:
:In article <3mah2n$2h3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kyoakita@aol.com
(KyoAkita)
:wrote:
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:> :What I meant was that there is no point in forgetting civility
:> :even if the price is not right for you.
:>
:> That doesn't apply to a direct oder system.
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:> Simple fact for you, sir; Several years ago, RSI was selling
:> their products to us for the same price as in the U.S.
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:Several years ago, $1 > 200 Yen.
$1 was 150 yen, when they stopped selling us directly.
Anyway, I don't get your point, sir. It seems irrelevant.
:but in fairness, it should be pointed out that for a small company
:such as RSI, maintaining tariff, customs, &c. procedures for almost
:any foreign country
As you may already know (if you are concerned about US-Japan
trading), the tariff for computers and software is zero.
Considering the exctra cost, price could be 20, 30 or maybe 50% higher,
though . But 150% is far beyond my understanding.
: Thus, RSI has distributors for the UK, for France, for Germany and
:other places in western Europe, as well as for Japan.
I'd like to hear from european customers how they are feeling.
I'm simply wishing RSI to sell us directly with the same price tag
as in the U.S. ( I'm willing to pay extra for shipping etc., of course ),
while they can sell through local distributers as well.
No big deal, don't you think?
Cheers,
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| Re: Student version of IDL [message #3999 is a reply to message #3852] |
Mon, 10 April 1995 00:00 |
gurman
Messages: 82
Registered: August 1992
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In article <3mah2n$2h3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kyoakita@aol.com (KyoAkita)
wrote:
> :What I meant was that there is no point in forgetting civility
> :even if the price is not right for you.
>
> That doesn't apply to a direct oder system.
>
> Simple fact for you, sir; Several years ago, RSI was selling
> their products to us for the same price as in the U.S.
Several years ago, $1 > 200 Yen.
>
> I don't think I am nagging at RSI for what they cannot do. They CAN
> change their policy and distribute their products for foreign customers
> as they were doing before.
I'm not trying to excuse the pricing of RSI products in Japan (my
understanding is that the markup is >= 100%), but in fairness, it should
be pointed out that for a small company such as RSI, maintaining tariff,
customs, &c. procedures for almost any foreign country, much less for one
with so many bureaucratic barriers to foreign products as Japan, is a very
heavy cost and ofetn results in dealyed products shipments and frustrated
(perhaps even angry, in western countries at least) customers.
Thus, RSI has distributors for the UK, for France, for Germany and
other places in western Europe, as well as for Japan. You have the freedom
of choice to feel screwed because the cost from the local distributor is
so high, or privileged because IDL and ENVI are available for sale and
support in your country. Or perhaps a bit of both....
Besides, I doubt RSI is seeing any of the recent Yen/dollar ratio
change as its profit. All that goes to the distributor, I suspect.
Best wishes,
Joe Gurman
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Joseph B. Gurman / NASA Goddard Space Flight Center/ Solar Data Analysis Center / Code 682 / Greenbelt MD 20771 USA / gurman@uvsp.gsfc.nasa.gov
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| Re: Student version of IDL [message #4040 is a reply to message #3852] |
Mon, 17 April 1995 00:00 |
gurman
Messages: 82
Registered: August 1992
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In article <3mfgdi$8g2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kyoakita@aol.com (KyoAkita)
wrote:
> In article <3me9qn$mfk@pdq.coe.montana.edu>,
> uphlabh@gemini.oscs.montana.edu
> (Brian Handy) wrote:
>
> :As I understand it, the retail price of IDL going into Japan is probably
> :the usual price, something around $1500, plus whatever export duties may
> :apply.
>
> Oh, Handy-san, you should have known that RSI doesn't sell that way to
> Japanese customers, and that is why ISAS is taking so long to negotiate
> with the Japanese distributer to purchase IDL for new machines there.
> Yohkoh project (Japanese side, at least) has been in trouble since RSI
> stopped direct distribution.
> You could get it for $1500 because it was paid by american organization.
>
> :I believe, sir, the people you need to be disgusted with are your own.
>
> I don't deny that. I have already made a complaint to them. Their answer
> was the price is defined in the contract with IDL and cannnot be
> changed...
> Anyway, that is why I am trying to purchase directly from RSI. But RSI
> fefuses that (maybe because of the contract with the Japanese
> distributer:-(
> So, I am disgusted with RSI as well. Sigh...
Wait.... you're disgusted with RSI because they're honoring their
contract granting eclusive Japanese distribution rights to whoever these
[expression deleted to prevent the impression that a US government
employee might have a low opinion of the motives or actions of any foreign
firm] are who distribute RSI software in Japan? I can see being disgusted
with them for not finding a cheaper distributor or better value-added
services for those who need them, but not for playing fair with someone
with whom they have signed deal. Let's hope it expires soon, though.
All complaining aside, your boycotting RSI's distributor _should_ have
an effect, if only because some people at RSI read this newsgroup (though
they rarely post). I only hope the ISAS folks are able to strike a (much)
better deal.
Good luck,
Joe Gurman
--
J.B. Gurman / Solar Physics Branch/ NASA Goddard Space Flight Center/
Greenbelt MD 20771 USA / gurman@uvsp.gsfc.nasa.gov
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