| Re: IMSL coming to IDL [message #49902] |
Wed, 30 August 2006 10:19  |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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Haje Korth writes:
> don't you ever have those weird dreams and you wake up sweating because
> it everything seemed so real??? :-)
Yeah, but I don't mention those to my wife. :-)
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui.
(Opata Indian saying, meaning "Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: IMSL coming to IDL [message #49906 is a reply to message #49904] |
Wed, 30 August 2006 09:39  |
Haje Korth
Messages: 651
Registered: May 1997
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I love that dialog, don't tell me that was a real conversations you had
with ITTVIS. BTW: It not "for $995", it's "for as little as $995". That
was the moment I spit my coffee all over my screen.
Well, I will give it a test shot and play with it to get an overview
David Fanning wrote:
> Haje Korth writes:
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>> I too got the feeling that we get to fork out if we want to use this
>> analyst product. Regading the ITTVIS/VNI relationshsip, I have been
>> wondering about this too. No clue what's going on...
>
> An article in my mailbox yesterday confirms that if
> I "act now" I can get the new IDL Analyst product for
> $995. I had a look through the list of mathematical
> routines. I noticed enough overlap between the math
> routines already in IDL and the new routines to make
> me VERY glad I'm not an IDL salesperson.
>
> "So, are these math routines better than the old ones?"
>
> "Uh, no. Well, maybe, in some cases."
>
> "Do you mean that the old ones aren't accurate."
>
> "No, no. I don't mean that. I just mean that, you know,
> maybe you would like to use a different algorithm."
>
> "Don't they give the same answers?"
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> "Well, usually."
>
> etc.
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> To come up with $995 the new routines have to either be
> better (whatever this means) or there has be be something
> there that you don't have now and really, really need.
>
> If they are better, then why aren't they included in IDL!?
> Surely IDL can't be sold in the "ballpark" version and the
> "accurate" version. (Can you imagine the footnotes in the
> academic literature?)
>
> If there is something new, $995 may or may not be a fair
> price for it. Guess it depends on how badly it's needed.
>
> I'm just saying, I'm sure as hell glad I'm not the one
> selling it!
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. (Opata Indian saying, meaning "Perhaps thou
> speakest truth.")
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| Re: IMSL coming to IDL [message #49913 is a reply to message #49906] |
Wed, 30 August 2006 06:47 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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Haje Korth writes:
> I too got the feeling that we get to fork out if we want to use this
> analyst product. Regading the ITTVIS/VNI relationshsip, I have been
> wondering about this too. No clue what's going on...
An article in my mailbox yesterday confirms that if
I "act now" I can get the new IDL Analyst product for
$995. I had a look through the list of mathematical
routines. I noticed enough overlap between the math
routines already in IDL and the new routines to make
me VERY glad I'm not an IDL salesperson.
"So, are these math routines better than the old ones?"
"Uh, no. Well, maybe, in some cases."
"Do you mean that the old ones aren't accurate."
"No, no. I don't mean that. I just mean that, you know,
maybe you would like to use a different algorithm."
"Don't they give the same answers?"
"Well, usually."
etc.
To come up with $995 the new routines have to either be
better (whatever this means) or there has be be something
there that you don't have now and really, really need.
If they are better, then why aren't they included in IDL!?
Surely IDL can't be sold in the "ballpark" version and the
"accurate" version. (Can you imagine the footnotes in the
academic literature?)
If there is something new, $995 may or may not be a fair
price for it. Guess it depends on how badly it's needed.
I'm just saying, I'm sure as hell glad I'm not the one
selling it!
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. (Opata Indian saying, meaning "Perhaps thou
speakest truth.")
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| Re: IMSL coming to IDL [message #49960 is a reply to message #49959] |
Fri, 25 August 2006 05:38 |
Haje Korth
Messages: 651
Registered: May 1997
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Ol'Gramps,
thanks for the anecdote from the life of an IDL professional. :-)
Although I have been using IDL from the very beginning of it's history,
I cared little back then about the politics behind the product. I
appreciate the insight.
Haje
David Fanning wrote:
> Haje Korth writes:
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>> Deja vu? Am I missing something here???
>
> Guess you're too young to have heard about this, Haje.
> Here, come sit on my knee, and ol' Gramps will tell
> you a story.
>
> Years and years ago, well before you were born probably,
> I had a mystical experience. I had quit my job--again--and
> had given my wife some cock and bull story about wanting
> to "find myself" or "follow my bliss" or whatever it was
> that was fashionable in those days. Basically, I was more
> or less unhappy with everything I had ever done and was
> looking for something more meaningful to do.
>
> I had this strong urge to call one of my friends at RSI
> and ask if they had ever thought of offering IDL training
> classes to their customers.
>
> "No, hell no. Our customers don't need training classes,"
> my friend said. "But you better get your ass down here tomorrow
> because we are talking to someone about a deal and you might
> be interested in it."
>
> I ran down there in the morning. They were talking to IMSL
> about creating a product called IDL-IMSL. The folks were from
> Houston and didn't know anything at all about IDL. The deal was
> done that morning, and the folks asked me to fly down to Houston
> two days later with a proposal for creating an IDL-IMSL training
> course.
>
> I entered the room with a single sheet of paper and a figure
> on it I had spent the whole flight down to Houston regretting.
> I was asking for about twice a much money as I had ever made
> in my life.
>
> The meeting started, and it wasn't long before it was pretty
> clear that there was--at that time anyway--about one person
> in the world who could do the job they wanted done, and he was
> sitting across from the suits with a shit-eating grin on his
> face. I slid that proposal across the desk to the suits, and
> they didn't even flinch.
>
> The rest, as they say, is history. I'll show you the IDL-IMSL
> video sometime. I still have it around here somewhere. I've been
> waiting all these year just to show to the grandkids :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. (Opata Indian saying, meaning "Perhaps thou
> speakest truth.")
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| Re: IMSL coming to IDL [message #49977 is a reply to message #49974] |
Wed, 23 August 2006 12:28 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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Haje Korth writes:
> Deja vu? Am I missing something here???
Guess you're too young to have heard about this, Haje.
Here, come sit on my knee, and ol' Gramps will tell
you a story.
Years and years ago, well before you were born probably,
I had a mystical experience. I had quit my job--again--and
had given my wife some cock and bull story about wanting
to "find myself" or "follow my bliss" or whatever it was
that was fashionable in those days. Basically, I was more
or less unhappy with everything I had ever done and was
looking for something more meaningful to do.
I had this strong urge to call one of my friends at RSI
and ask if they had ever thought of offering IDL training
classes to their customers.
"No, hell no. Our customers don't need training classes,"
my friend said. "But you better get your ass down here tomorrow
because we are talking to someone about a deal and you might
be interested in it."
I ran down there in the morning. They were talking to IMSL
about creating a product called IDL-IMSL. The folks were from
Houston and didn't know anything at all about IDL. The deal was
done that morning, and the folks asked me to fly down to Houston
two days later with a proposal for creating an IDL-IMSL training
course.
I entered the room with a single sheet of paper and a figure
on it I had spent the whole flight down to Houston regretting.
I was asking for about twice a much money as I had ever made
in my life.
The meeting started, and it wasn't long before it was pretty
clear that there was--at that time anyway--about one person
in the world who could do the job they wanted done, and he was
sitting across from the suits with a shit-eating grin on his
face. I slid that proposal across the desk to the suits, and
they didn't even flinch.
The rest, as they say, is history. I'll show you the IDL-IMSL
video sometime. I still have it around here somewhere. I've been
waiting all these year just to show to the grandkids :-)
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. (Opata Indian saying, meaning "Perhaps thou
speakest truth.")
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| Re: IMSL coming to IDL [message #50213 is a reply to message #49913] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 09:16 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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David Fanning writes:
> To come up with $995 the new routines have to either be
> better (whatever this means) or there has be be something
> there that you don't have now and really, really need.
Just in case anyone was made uneasy about my fictitious
conversation with an IDL salesperson concerning the
IMSL addition, here are the facts as I now understand them.
IMSL adds approximately 75 new mathematical routines to
the language, and of those that overlap with existing IDL
math routines, many have additional parameters and keywords
that allow you fine-tune your mathematical analysis in way
that is not currently possible.
As I said before, the IMSL addition may well be worth the
money. As with any new piece of software, you have to weigh
your needs with how much time and energy (and money) it takes
you to do without it.
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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