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| Re: New IDLDE [message #52958 is a reply to message #52877] |
Sat, 10 March 2007 18:38   |
Paul Sommer
Messages: 9
Registered: December 2006
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On Mar 9, 12:02 pm, Kenneth Bowman <k-bow...@tamu.edu> wrote:
> In article <1173460499.305312.95...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Paul Sommer" <psom...@ittvis.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Ken,
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>> I have to pipe in here as I have driven activity into the Private
>> Portals to support users just like you :-) Our recent motivation has
>> been to try and do a better job creating and actively participating in
>> the user community. The Portal concept is a small step in this
>> direction. You may ask why we don't just push people to the
>> newsgroup. We do. However, in cases like Raytheon, they have a lot
>> of proprietary IDL content they also want to share with their internal
>> teams. For example, one group has a bunch of really useful and
>> powerful IDL code that an adjacent program could use. So, we set up a
>> private portal for them with forum capability, links to relevant
>> content that relates to their work and host their code contributions
>> via secure protocols to protect their IP. We then assign both an
>> internal moderator, or champion and an ITT Vis Sales Engineer to
>> address forum questions regarding IDL, etc.
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>> In essence, we are trying to recreate the nirvana you all seem to
>> experience here for folks that are firewalled. Again, we continue to
>> point new contacts to this group as well and I hope to have a more
>> public link to this group from the InfoNET in the future. As I told
>> David in a recent meeting, the InfoNET is in its infancy and we really
>> hope to do a better job of recognizing community in all forms - our
>> internal engineering forums, our public ITT Visual Information
>> Solutions forum, this news group, private portals, user group
>> meetings, etc. So, do not fear...we definitely don't want to give you
>> the impression that only the big accounts matter. It's the entire
>> community that makes our software successful.
>
>> Best regards,
>> Paul
>> ___________________________________
>
>> Paul M. Sommer
>> Lead Technical Sales Engineer
>> ITT
>> Visual Information Solutions
>> psom...@ittvis.com
>> Direct Line: 303-402-4679
>> http://www.ittvis.com
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I wasn't criticizing the idea of private user forums. I can see that it
> would be a good idea for some of your customers.
>
> Cheers, Ken
There I go again...being hypersensitive :-) I just want to make sure
you all understand the motivation and how the system works. Who
knows, we might even have private forum for the edu community!
Seriously, I think Betsy is going to do something like that to bring
more edu content to new instructors.
Thanks,
-P
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| Re: New IDLDE [message #52968 is a reply to message #52877] |
Fri, 09 March 2007 11:02 |
Kenneth Bowman
Messages: 86
Registered: November 2006
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In article <1173460499.305312.95470@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul Sommer" <psommer@ittvis.com> wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> I have to pipe in here as I have driven activity into the Private
> Portals to support users just like you :-) Our recent motivation has
> been to try and do a better job creating and actively participating in
> the user community. The Portal concept is a small step in this
> direction. You may ask why we don't just push people to the
> newsgroup. We do. However, in cases like Raytheon, they have a lot
> of proprietary IDL content they also want to share with their internal
> teams. For example, one group has a bunch of really useful and
> powerful IDL code that an adjacent program could use. So, we set up a
> private portal for them with forum capability, links to relevant
> content that relates to their work and host their code contributions
> via secure protocols to protect their IP. We then assign both an
> internal moderator, or champion and an ITT Vis Sales Engineer to
> address forum questions regarding IDL, etc.
>
> In essence, we are trying to recreate the nirvana you all seem to
> experience here for folks that are firewalled. Again, we continue to
> point new contacts to this group as well and I hope to have a more
> public link to this group from the InfoNET in the future. As I told
> David in a recent meeting, the InfoNET is in its infancy and we really
> hope to do a better job of recognizing community in all forms - our
> internal engineering forums, our public ITT Visual Information
> Solutions forum, this news group, private portals, user group
> meetings, etc. So, do not fear...we definitely don't want to give you
> the impression that only the big accounts matter. It's the entire
> community that makes our software successful.
>
> Best regards,
> Paul
> ___________________________________
>
> Paul M. Sommer
> Lead Technical Sales Engineer
> ITT
> Visual Information Solutions
> psommer@ittvis.com
> Direct Line: 303-402-4679
> http://www.ittvis.com
Hi Paul,
I wasn't criticizing the idea of private user forums. I can see that it
would be a good idea for some of your customers.
Cheers, Ken
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| Re: New IDLDE [message #52975 is a reply to message #52877] |
Fri, 09 March 2007 09:14 |
Paul Sommer
Messages: 9
Registered: December 2006
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On Mar 9, 7:50 am, Kenneth Bowman <k-bow...@tamu.edu> wrote:
> In article <MPG.205a348c332de2bd989...@news.frii.com>,
> David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
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>> Kenneth Bowman writes:
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>>> That would seem to fit with general trends, which I would describe
>>> as moving IDL toward being more of a product for programmers, and
>>> less of a product for scientists.
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>> Thank you. How come I can't be this eloquent!?
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>> Yes, this is *exactly* the trend, and *exactly* my fear.
>> Pushed too far in this direction and IDL stops being what
>> it is the very best at and becomes an also-ran in the
>> programming language sweepstakes. It would be a shame if
>> that happened.
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> I certainly don't object to ITT adding new features and capabilities to
> IDL. It can be a great thing for us users. But, it is frustrating that
> there is no investment in fixing problems with older pieces of IDL, like
> direct graphics. And, many of the new tools seem to only be suitable for
> use by "professional" programmers. (Which makes me an unprofessional
> programmer, I guess.) I like to think that the next iteration of the
> iTools will be much better documented and easier to program.
>
> One of the capabilities of their new web site is the ability to
> set up private forums, which they call "group portals". These are for
> customers like Siemens and Raytheon, who develop large applications
> with IDL. Clearly they need to take care of big customers like
> medical imaging systems developers and the remote sensing
> establishment, but to me that signals a permanent shift toward
> large application development and away from the small- to medium-sized
> data analysis project that has always been their forte, to my mind.
> In fact, this sounds a lot like PV-WAVE.
>
> Ken
Hi Ken,
I have to pipe in here as I have driven activity into the Private
Portals to support users just like you :-) Our recent motivation has
been to try and do a better job creating and actively participating in
the user community. The Portal concept is a small step in this
direction. You may ask why we don't just push people to the
newsgroup. We do. However, in cases like Raytheon, they have a lot
of proprietary IDL content they also want to share with their internal
teams. For example, one group has a bunch of really useful and
powerful IDL code that an adjacent program could use. So, we set up a
private portal for them with forum capability, links to relevant
content that relates to their work and host their code contributions
via secure protocols to protect their IP. We then assign both an
internal moderator, or champion and an ITT Vis Sales Engineer to
address forum questions regarding IDL, etc.
In essence, we are trying to recreate the nirvana you all seem to
experience here for folks that are firewalled. Again, we continue to
point new contacts to this group as well and I hope to have a more
public link to this group from the InfoNET in the future. As I told
David in a recent meeting, the InfoNET is in its infancy and we really
hope to do a better job of recognizing community in all forms - our
internal engineering forums, our public ITT Visual Information
Solutions forum, this news group, private portals, user group
meetings, etc. So, do not fear...we definitely don't want to give you
the impression that only the big accounts matter. It's the entire
community that makes our software successful.
Best regards,
Paul
___________________________________
Paul M. Sommer
Lead Technical Sales Engineer
ITT
Visual Information Solutions
psommer@ittvis.com
Direct Line: 303-402-4679
http://www.ittvis.com
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| Re: New IDLDE [message #52996 is a reply to message #52877] |
Wed, 14 March 2007 09:04 |
news.qwest.net
Messages: 137
Registered: September 2005
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> skymaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
>> little question about idlde for Linux
My 2� on the subject. I started up idlde on linux,
and not only does it have a couple of "features" that annoy me
(no color syntax, different hotkeys than the windows version, etc)
but one of the most basic features was all buggered up - the placement
of the windows.
I had the project window open, even though it was listed as 'closed'
in the menu items (i.e. I did not have the option to 'hide' it, rather I had
the option to 'show' it.) Also, the project window did not fit into the
default window size for it, as the labels and buttons were not fully
visible,
in fact I couldn't really tell what that window was.
I started randomly opening and closing windows to try to get rid of this
window and hid the log window. I then selected show the log window,
and it would not reapear.
Anyways, after about 10 minutes of fiddling and a few restarts of IDL
I was able to get the windows acting properly.
That level of failure in a gui is just horrendous. If it was a version 0
prototype
pushed out the door too fast, it would be horrendous. The fact that it is
an integral part of a program that is ~20 years old is mind boggling.
Cheers,
bob
PS The de under windows is quite nice though.
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| Re: New IDLDE [message #53008 is a reply to message #52877] |
Wed, 14 March 2007 02:45 |
Ben Panter
Messages: 102
Registered: July 2003
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Senior Member |
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skymaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
> little question about idlde for Linux
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> it's not support color syntax in source codes ?
Nope, it doesn't. An earlier version did, perhaps 5.1, apparently it
caused problems for some and was removed rather than fixed, which I
always thought was a bit sad.
> IDL only from RSI (ITTVIS) ? May be some products under GNU license ?
You could try GDL, PDL, FDL - all attempt to use the same syntax and are
free, but don't have the entire functionality of IDL. If you want syntax
highlighting in LINUX the best option is probably IDLWAVE.
Ben
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Ben Panter, Edinburgh, UK.
Email false, http://www.benpanter.co.uk
or you could try ben at ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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| Re: New IDLDE [message #53009 is a reply to message #52877] |
Tue, 13 March 2007 22:01 |
skymaxwell@gmail.com
Messages: 127
Registered: January 2007
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little question about idlde for Linux
it's not support color syntax in source codes ?
IDL only from RSI (ITTVIS) ? May be some products under GNU license ?
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