| IDL 7.0 questions [message #57127] |
Sat, 01 December 2007 12:10  |
markb77
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Does anyone know where the Run->Stop and Run->Reset buttons have
gone? These seem to be pretty essential !?
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| Re: IDL 7.0 questions [message #57299 is a reply to message #57127] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 11:07  |
Vince Hradil
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On Dec 5, 12:24 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Here is what I do notice now, though. If I open up the
> IDL 7 Workspace, this is now a (slow!) one application
> machine. Forget about checking the Spanish word of the day
> in my browser. It takes about 10 seconds just to get
> the window manager to notice I want to open another
> terminal window. :-(
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> This would be a good application to teach an IDL
> class on, that's for sure. Everyone could keep up.
>
Well, after all this is a Java App so one should expect it to be
pretty slow... At least, that's my impression of Java.
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| Re: IDL 7.0 questions [message #57304 is a reply to message #57127] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 10:31 |
David Fanning
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Doug Edmundson writes:
> Hey, one can even have just an editor, console and
> command line! Combine that with the "vi" plug-in and prepare to
> rock'n'roll. ;-)
Hey, as my kids say, I'm down with this! :-)
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: IDL 7.0 questions [message #57305 is a reply to message #57127] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 10:29 |
Michael Galloy
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On Dec 5, 10:42 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> I hate to pick at a scab, but I am *certain* there must
> be an algorithm behind grabbing GUI elements and moving
> them around. Does anyone have any idea what it is? Where
> do I grab, and where should I drop to make things happen
> in a sensible fashion? I apologize for not being able
> to figure this out. But, on the other hand, I use the
> TV so infrequently that I have to get my son in here
> to set it up for me if I want to watch a movie, so
> this kind of thing is not my forte. :-(
I had the same issue with the old Windows DE. I could (eventually) get
it to do what I wanted, but I couldn't really say specifically how to
do it. I think the algorithm might involve RANDOMU. Move slowly and
use the preview outlines is all I can recommend.
Mike
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Tech-X Corporation
Software Developer II
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| Re: IDL 7.0 questions [message #57306 is a reply to message #57127] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 10:25 |
Doug Edmundson
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David Fanning wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
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>> Well, I did something and it popped back in. But then
>> I took it out again to see what THAT was all about,
>> and I can't get it in again. What in the world did I
>> do the first time?
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> I hate to pick at a scab, but I am *certain* there must
> be an algorithm behind grabbing GUI elements and moving
> them around. Does anyone have any idea what it is? Where
> do I grab, and where should I drop to make things happen
> in a sensible fashion? I apologize for not being able
> to figure this out. But, on the other hand, I use the
> TV so infrequently that I have to get my son in here
> to set it up for me if I want to watch a movie, so
> this kind of thing is not my forte. :-(
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> Cheers,
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> David
Hi David,
I think there are a few visual differences between Mac, Linux, Windows
and Solaris, but the basic operation should be identical. I'll give a
broad overview for everyone's benefit.
The IDE Workbench window is broken down into views. Views include the
"Project Explorer", "Console", "Command Line", "Outline", "Debug", etc.
Views can also be stacked on top of each other into groups.
Views are repositioned by dragging their tabs. You should see some kind
of rectangle that "snaps" into various positions as you drag, indicating
where the view would go if you were to release the mouse button. Note
that you can fully detach a view to turn it into a floating window.
Reattaching is done the same way... drag the view's tab until you get a
thin, hollow rectangle that is where you want the view to go.
If you're not seeing the drag rectangle then we have a bug! ;-)
The main trickiness has to do with the editor view, which is somewhat
special in two regards. First, it is fixed and cannot be repositioned.
This implies that all other views are positioned around it and
relative to it. Second, the editor view contains tabbed editors which
are not views! Individual editors can be moved via their tabs, but can
only be repositioned within the editor view. (This allows one to have
side-by-side and split editors. Right-click on a editor tab and choose
"New Editor" get a second copy of that editor.)
As mentioned above, views can be grouped. To group views, drag one tab
on top of another. Within a group, reorder tabs by dragging them left
or right. Groups can also repositioned! Click and drag from the "grey
area" to the right of all tabs in the group. You should get that
familiar "drag rectangle".
Now to demystify perspectives... Perspectives are merely a set of views
(and their layout). The IDL perspective contains those views useful for
writing code and the Debug perspective adds the "Debug", "Variables" and
"Breakpoints" views. You can add and remove views from a perspective as
you like. (See the "Window" menu.) You can even create new
perspectives. Hey, one can even have just an editor, console and
command line! Combine that with the "vi" plug-in and prepare to
rock'n'roll. ;-) I joke, but for some that may be all they want and
need, especially if their desk space is limited.
It's tough to describe in words how all this works but hopefully those
words have helped.
Cheers,
Doug
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| Re: IDL 7.0 questions [message #57307 is a reply to message #57127] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 10:24 |
David Fanning
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Registered: August 2001
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Vince Hradil writes:
> Here's some things I've discovered
> grab in the blank area next to the "tab". Then drag slowly, pause
> where you might want it and you'll get "preview" of where it will go.
> If you drag it "into" another view, it will add tabs to that view.
> Also, move SLOW and watch the pointer. If it changes to a rolodex
> looking pointing then it will add the tabs to that view. The up/down/
> right/left arrows show where the window will be pasted, relative the
> the window underneath. Just don't "drop" it until you're sure it is
> where you want it.
OK, thanks. I'm not sure if it is the brain-dead Sony Viao
laptop I put it on or my KDE window manager, but my
"preview" is a rectangular outline of a box and I never
see any tabs, no matter how slowly I go. But I can get the
windows to pop into the right place now, thanks.
Here is what I do notice now, though. If I open up the
IDL 7 Workspace, this is now a (slow!) one application
machine. Forget about checking the Spanish word of the day
in my browser. It takes about 10 seconds just to get
the window manager to notice I want to open another
terminal window. :-(
This would be a good application to teach an IDL
class on, that's for sure. Everyone could keep up.
I'm going to try moving it over to my desktop machine,
which I just upgraded to 4 gigs of RAM, and see if
it is a little zippier there.
Anybody running this on a Mac? Should I tell my wife
this is really want under the tree this year?
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: IDL 7.0 questions [message #57310 is a reply to message #57127] |
Wed, 05 December 2007 10:02 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
Registered: December 1999
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On Dec 5, 11:42 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
>> Well, I did something and it popped back in. But then
>> I took it out again to see what THAT was all about,
>> and I can't get it in again. What in the world did I
>> do the first time?
>
> I hate to pick at a scab, but I am *certain* there must
> be an algorithm behind grabbing GUI elements and moving
> them around. Does anyone have any idea what it is? Where
> do I grab, and where should I drop to make things happen
> in a sensible fashion? I apologize for not being able
> to figure this out. But, on the other hand, I use the
> TV so infrequently that I have to get my son in here
> to set it up for me if I want to watch a movie, so
> this kind of thing is not my forte. :-(
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Here's some things I've discovered
grab in the blank area next to the "tab". Then drag slowly, pause
where you might want it and you'll get "preview" of where it will go.
If you drag it "into" another view, it will add tabs to that view.
Also, move SLOW and watch the pointer. If it changes to a rolodex
looking pointing then it will add the tabs to that view. The up/down/
right/left arrows show where the window will be pasted, relative the
the window underneath. Just don't "drop" it until you're sure it is
where you want it.
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