| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57384] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 16:07  |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
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On Dec 8, 5:27 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Mike Galloy writes:
>> If you are still interested in Subversion plugins...
>
> Sigh...
>
> OK, I am in this whole hog now. I've removed Perforce from
> my computer so there was no conflict with Subversion.
> I downloaded a Subversion package, and after too many
> tries to mention without a great deal of embarrassment,
> I have that working outside of the Workbench.
>
> http://svn1clicksetup.tigris.org/
>
> It uses TortiseSVN to work with Subversion via the Window
> Explorer. Nice. I like that. And if you set it up right, it
> works great. (Here is a tip. If you don't like the way
> it gets set up, just delete the SNVRepository directory and
> start over. Do it three or four times, if you have the time.
> No hurry.)
>
> So, now I am to the part where I am going to install a
> Subclipse plug-in to access this Subversion repository
> from inside the IDL Workbench. I follow the directions
> on this page:
>
> http://subclipse.tigris.org/install.html
>
> I select the Subclipse 1.2.x (Eclipse 3.2+) instructions,
> because I figure out (I don't remember how) I am running
> Eclipse 3.3.something.
>
> Eclipse seems to find the repository and gets it over
> to my machine OK, but when I go to install it I get a
> message that:
>
> "Buckminster - Subclipse support (Incubation) (0.2.0.r3554) requires
> plug-in "org.eclipse.buckminster.core"
>
> I try to read up on "org.eclipse.buckminster.core" and I start reading
> about "headless" this and "headless" that.
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Sample_headless_configuration_(Buckminster)
>
> Have I stumbled into some kind of a cult here?
>
> Any pointers on what to do next that *doesn't* involve cannibalism?
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
I found a similar issue here: http://www.myeclipseide.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file =viewtopic&p=87071
Maybe your subversive installation is not completely "cleaned out"?
Maybe try JUST installing the base subclipse - no options?
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57385 is a reply to message #57384] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 15:27  |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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Mike Galloy writes:
> If you are still interested in Subversion plugins...
Sigh...
OK, I am in this whole hog now. I've removed Perforce from
my computer so there was no conflict with Subversion.
I downloaded a Subversion package, and after too many
tries to mention without a great deal of embarrassment,
I have that working outside of the Workbench.
http://svn1clicksetup.tigris.org/
It uses TortiseSVN to work with Subversion via the Window
Explorer. Nice. I like that. And if you set it up right, it
works great. (Here is a tip. If you don't like the way
it gets set up, just delete the SNVRepository directory and
start over. Do it three or four times, if you have the time.
No hurry.)
So, now I am to the part where I am going to install a
Subclipse plug-in to access this Subversion repository
from inside the IDL Workbench. I follow the directions
on this page:
http://subclipse.tigris.org/install.html
I select the Subclipse 1.2.x (Eclipse 3.2+) instructions,
because I figure out (I don't remember how) I am running
Eclipse 3.3.something.
Eclipse seems to find the repository and gets it over
to my machine OK, but when I go to install it I get a
message that:
"Buckminster - Subclipse support (Incubation) (0.2.0.r3554) requires
plug-in "org.eclipse.buckminster.core"
I try to read up on "org.eclipse.buckminster.core" and I start reading
about "headless" this and "headless" that.
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Sample_headless_configuration_(Buckminster)
Have I stumbled into some kind of a cult here?
Any pointers on what to do next that *doesn't* involve cannibalism?
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57388 is a reply to message #57385] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 13:54 |
sbolin42
Messages: 10
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On Dec 8, 2:26 pm, "mgal...@gmail.com" <mgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 11:49 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mike Galloy writes:
>>> Well, I don't use the Perforce plugin, but the Subclipse Subversion
>>> plugin adds things like:
>
>>> * a entry in the "New Project" menu that allows you to check out a
>>> project
>>> * context menus for files/directories in a Subversion project that
>>> let you do Subversion actions like update, commit, diff, etc.
>>> * decorators on file/directories that indicate which files have been
>>> changed, what revision they are on, when they were last checked in,
>>> etc.
>
>>> None of these things are visible until you create a new Subversion
>>> project using "New Project".
>
>>> I would assume that the Perforce plugin has a similar workflow.
>
>> Well, if it does, I sure can't find it. :-(
>
> Yes, it does seem to be different. It seems like you create the
> project first and then share it. Try:
>
> http://www.perforce.com/perforce/doc.062/manuals/p4wsad/topi cs/adding...
>
> Mike
> --www.michaelgalloy.com
> Tech-X Corporation
> Software Developer II
David,
Working from memory here, since I use Perforce at work but don't
have it here at home. After installing the plugin,
go to Window->Show View...->Other, then select the Perforce category
and you should see the views it offers. I seem to remember using the
'Server' and 'Changelist' views. I think you right click in the
Server view and create a connection to your Perforce server first.
Once you've done this, you should see a tree of all your source in the
depot. Then, you can select a folder of source and "add as a
project", which will grab the code from the server and put it into
your Project Explorer view. When you start editing code, the plugin
will automatically do a checkout into the default changelist.
I can't exactly remember the names of the Perforce views, but hope
this helps to get you going.
-scott
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57391 is a reply to message #57388] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 13:26 |
Michael Galloy
Messages: 1114
Registered: April 2006
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On Dec 8, 11:49 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Mike Galloy writes:
>> Well, I don't use the Perforce plugin, but the Subclipse Subversion
>> plugin adds things like:
>
>> * a entry in the "New Project" menu that allows you to check out a
>> project
>> * context menus for files/directories in a Subversion project that
>> let you do Subversion actions like update, commit, diff, etc.
>> * decorators on file/directories that indicate which files have been
>> changed, what revision they are on, when they were last checked in,
>> etc.
>
>> None of these things are visible until you create a new Subversion
>> project using "New Project".
>
>> I would assume that the Perforce plugin has a similar workflow.
>
> Well, if it does, I sure can't find it. :-(
Yes, it does seem to be different. It seems like you create the
project first and then share it. Try:
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/doc.062/manuals/p4wsad/topi cs/adding.html
Mike
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www.michaelgalloy.com
Tech-X Corporation
Software Developer II
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57394 is a reply to message #57393] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 11:38 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
Registered: December 1999
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On Dec 8, 1:28 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Vince Hradil writes:
>> I don't have a Help->Product Configuration ?
>
> Yeah, I'm getting flustered...
>
> Help -> Software Updates -> Manage Configuration gives a
> window that is "labelled" Product Configuration. But all
> those buttons work now and are conspiring to make a liar
> out of me. :-(
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Well, that is where I had problems with Subversive. There were
actually several separate plugins, maybe 4? Each time I tried to
remove one, it said that it could not be removed because it was
required by some other plugin. I went around in circles like this for
a while, then just "rolled back" and removed files/folders from the
file system. Hack, hack...
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57396 is a reply to message #57395] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 11:20 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
Registered: December 1999
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On Dec 8, 12:49 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Mike Galloy writes:
>> Well, I don't use the Perforce plugin, but the Subclipse Subversion
>> plugin adds things like:
>
>> * a entry in the "New Project" menu that allows you to check out a
>> project
>> * context menus for files/directories in a Subversion project that
>> let you do Subversion actions like update, commit, diff, etc.
>> * decorators on file/directories that indicate which files have been
>> changed, what revision they are on, when they were last checked in,
>> etc.
>
>> None of these things are visible until you create a new Subversion
>> project using "New Project".
>
>> I would assume that the Perforce plugin has a similar workflow.
>
> Well, if it does, I sure can't find it. :-(
>
> Just a warning to Windows user of the Workbench, if you
> go to Help->Product Configuration don't click the View
> Installation History button. You get a dialog that just
> beeps at you no matter which button you click.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
I don't have a Help->Product Configuration ?
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57399 is a reply to message #57398] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 11:02 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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Vince Hradil writes:
> I can't remember the details,
> except that removing the plugins was a bit of pain.
Well, I find when I go to the Update Sites to Visit
menu, select my Perforce Plug-in and click Remove
that the plug-in seems to be removed, but the Finish
button never gets sensitized. After waiting for more
than 10 minutes, I still have a choice of Back or Cancel.
This is what you call being on the horns of a dilemma. :-)
> I ended up
> "rolling back" to the original plugin setup and re-installing
> subclipse (luckily this was only a day into IDL7).
I just went back and reverted to the original installation.
That's a nice feature, except that I notice over a five day
period I haven't made too much progress getting this
interface configured for real work. :-(
Oh, well. I've learned a lot. :-)
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57400 is a reply to message #57399] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 10:49 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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Mike Galloy writes:
> Well, I don't use the Perforce plugin, but the Subclipse Subversion
> plugin adds things like:
>
> * a entry in the "New Project" menu that allows you to check out a
> project
> * context menus for files/directories in a Subversion project that
> let you do Subversion actions like update, commit, diff, etc.
> * decorators on file/directories that indicate which files have been
> changed, what revision they are on, when they were last checked in,
> etc.
>
> None of these things are visible until you create a new Subversion
> project using "New Project".
>
> I would assume that the Perforce plugin has a similar workflow.
Well, if it does, I sure can't find it. :-(
Just a warning to Windows user of the Workbench, if you
go to Help->Product Configuration don't click the View
Installation History button. You get a dialog that just
beeps at you no matter which button you click.
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57401 is a reply to message #57400] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 10:28 |
Michael Galloy
Messages: 1114
Registered: April 2006
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On Dec 8, 11:19 am, Vince Hradil <hrad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 9:58 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> David Fanning writes:
>>> Chris Torrence writes:
>
>>>> Just FYI, the new IDL Workbench (part of IDL7.0) has built-in support
>>>> for version history. Once you have the new IDL Workbench, you can also
>>>> download a CVS plug-in from the ITTVIS update site, and there are also
>>>> plug-ins for Subversion and Perforce:
>>>> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/
>>>> http://www.perforce.com/perforce/products/p4wsad.html
>
>> OK, so I actually use Perforce on this machine, so I thought
>> I might as well have a go with that. No problem following the
>> installation directions on the page pointed to with the Perforce
>> URL above.
>
>> I successfully downloaded the plug-in and installed it. I was
>> asked if I wanted to restart the IDL Workbench. "Sure, why not?"
>> Now it is up here in front of me and looks EXACTLY like it
>> used to. I don't find any new buttons, menu items, etc. that
>> would give me a clue as to what I am suppose to do next.
>
>> I guess I naively expected I might have to check a file
>> out, set up a repository, *something*. I don't even see
>> a Plug-In menu. Does anyone have more clues for me?
>
>> Thanks,
>
>> David
>
>> --
>> David Fanning, Ph.D.
>> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
>> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
>> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
>
> I tried both subclipse and subversive - I chose subclipse. I had some
> problems with subversive, but sorry I can't remember the details,
> except that removing the plugins was a bit of pain. I ended up
> "rolling back" to the original plugin setup and re-installing
> subclipse (luckily this was only a day into IDL7). Among the things I
> read regarding this issue was:http://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/10/26/subclipse-v s-subversive/
> Your mileage may vary...
>
> Also, I think that either of these plugins requires that you install
> and maintain subversion itself separately. That's pretty easy,
> really, I might be able to help if someone needs help, but there are
> plenty of better resources out there.
Yes, if anyone wants a sample Subversion project to check out, use:
http://svn.idldev.com/mgunit
Anyone should be able to checkout (but not commit to) this project.
Mike
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www.michaelgalloy.com
Tech-X Corporation
Software Developer II
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57402 is a reply to message #57401] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 10:24 |
Michael Galloy
Messages: 1114
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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On Dec 8, 8:58 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
>> Chris Torrence writes:
>
>>> Just FYI, the new IDL Workbench (part of IDL7.0) has built-in support
>>> for version history. Once you have the new IDL Workbench, you can also
>>> download a CVS plug-in from the ITTVIS update site, and there are also
>>> plug-ins for Subversion and Perforce:
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/
>>> http://www.perforce.com/perforce/products/p4wsad.html
>
> OK, so I actually use Perforce on this machine, so I thought
> I might as well have a go with that. No problem following the
> installation directions on the page pointed to with the Perforce
> URL above.
>
> I successfully downloaded the plug-in and installed it. I was
> asked if I wanted to restart the IDL Workbench. "Sure, why not?"
> Now it is up here in front of me and looks EXACTLY like it
> used to. I don't find any new buttons, menu items, etc. that
> would give me a clue as to what I am suppose to do next.
>
> I guess I naively expected I might have to check a file
> out, set up a repository, *something*. I don't even see
> a Plug-In menu. Does anyone have more clues for me?
Well, I don't use the Perforce plugin, but the Subclipse Subversion
plugin adds things like:
* a entry in the "New Project" menu that allows you to check out a
project
* context menus for files/directories in a Subversion project that
let you do Subversion actions like update, commit, diff, etc.
* decorators on file/directories that indicate which files have been
changed, what revision they are on, when they were last checked in,
etc.
None of these things are visible until you create a new Subversion
project using "New Project".
I would assume that the Perforce plugin has a similar workflow.
Mike
--
www.michaelgalloy.com
Tech-X Corporation
Software Developer II
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57403 is a reply to message #57402] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 10:19 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
Registered: December 1999
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Senior Member |
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On Dec 8, 9:58 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
>> Chris Torrence writes:
>
>>> Just FYI, the new IDL Workbench (part of IDL7.0) has built-in support
>>> for version history. Once you have the new IDL Workbench, you can also
>>> download a CVS plug-in from the ITTVIS update site, and there are also
>>> plug-ins for Subversion and Perforce:
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/
>>> http://www.perforce.com/perforce/products/p4wsad.html
>
> OK, so I actually use Perforce on this machine, so I thought
> I might as well have a go with that. No problem following the
> installation directions on the page pointed to with the Perforce
> URL above.
>
> I successfully downloaded the plug-in and installed it. I was
> asked if I wanted to restart the IDL Workbench. "Sure, why not?"
> Now it is up here in front of me and looks EXACTLY like it
> used to. I don't find any new buttons, menu items, etc. that
> would give me a clue as to what I am suppose to do next.
>
> I guess I naively expected I might have to check a file
> out, set up a repository, *something*. I don't even see
> a Plug-In menu. Does anyone have more clues for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
I tried both subclipse and subversive - I chose subclipse. I had some
problems with subversive, but sorry I can't remember the details,
except that removing the plugins was a bit of pain. I ended up
"rolling back" to the original plugin setup and re-installing
subclipse (luckily this was only a day into IDL7). Among the things I
read regarding this issue was: http://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/10/26/subclipse-vs-su bversive/
Your mileage may vary...
Also, I think that either of these plugins requires that you install
and maintain subversion itself separately. That's pretty easy,
really, I might be able to help if someone needs help, but there are
plenty of better resources out there.
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57404 is a reply to message #57403] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 10:19 |
Michael Galloy
Messages: 1114
Registered: April 2006
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On Dec 8, 8:36 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> OK, I've heard so much about Subversion I decided to install it
> and see what this is all about. I'm running IDL 7.0 on Windows XP Pro
> with all the latest security patches, etc.
>
> I go to the Subversive page, as described above. I find directions
> for installing the Eclipse plug-in:
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/documentation/gettingStart ed/aboutSubv
> ersive/install.php
>
> I am instructed to add a New Update Site. I successfully add
> Subversive, with the "proper URL" :
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/downloads.php
>
> Next, I am suppose to add Subversive SVN Connectors. However,
> it has the *same* "proper URL" as the first site, and Eclipse
> won't allow me to enter it.
If you are still interested in Subversion plugins...
I use Subclipse not Subversive. Subversive is newer and (supposedly)
better, but Subclipse handles my requirements well.
Any way, I think the connectors are at:
http://www.polarion.org/projects/subversive/download/eclipse /2.0/update-site/
Mike
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www.michaelgalloy.com
Tech-X Corporation
Software Developer II
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57408 is a reply to message #57404] |
Sat, 08 December 2007 07:58 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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David Fanning writes:
> Chris Torrence writes:
>
>> Just FYI, the new IDL Workbench (part of IDL7.0) has built-in support
>> for version history. Once you have the new IDL Workbench, you can also
>> download a CVS plug-in from the ITTVIS update site, and there are also
>> plug-ins for Subversion and Perforce:
>> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/
>> http://www.perforce.com/perforce/products/p4wsad.html
OK, so I actually use Perforce on this machine, so I thought
I might as well have a go with that. No problem following the
installation directions on the page pointed to with the Perforce
URL above.
I successfully downloaded the plug-in and installed it. I was
asked if I wanted to restart the IDL Workbench. "Sure, why not?"
Now it is up here in front of me and looks EXACTLY like it
used to. I don't find any new buttons, menu items, etc. that
would give me a clue as to what I am suppose to do next.
I guess I naively expected I might have to check a file
out, set up a repository, *something*. I don't even see
a Plug-In menu. Does anyone have more clues for me?
Thanks,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: Subversion in IDL Workbench [message #57450 is a reply to message #57385] |
Sun, 09 December 2007 13:14 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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David Fanning writes:
> So, now I am to the part where I am going to install a
> Subclipse plug-in to access this Subversion repository
> from inside the IDL Workbench. I follow the directions
> on this page:
>
> http://subclipse.tigris.org/install.html
>
> I select the Subclipse 1.2.x (Eclipse 3.2+) instructions,
> because I figure out (I don't remember how) I am running
> Eclipse 3.3.something.
>
> Eclipse seems to find the repository and gets it over
> to my machine OK, but when I go to install it I get a
> message that:
>
> "Buckminster - Subclipse support (Incubation) (0.2.0.r3554) requires
> plug-in "org.eclipse.buckminster.core"
>
> I try to read up on "org.eclipse.buckminster.core" and I start reading
> about "headless" this and "headless" that.
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Sample_headless_configuration_(Buckminster)
>
> Have I stumbled into some kind of a cult here?
>
> Any pointers on what to do next that *doesn't* involve cannibalism?
Alright, I appear to have this working now. Here is what I did.
I read somewhere that the "buckminster.core" business might not
even be needed. So I just expanded the "Subclipse 1.2.x" selection
in the Features to Install section and de-selected the Integrations
(Optional) selection, which contained the buckminster.core and
Subslipse Integration for Mylyn options. Then, I just installed
everything else. Went normally.
Then I went to Open Perspective -> Other and found the SVN Repository
perspective and selected that. In the SVN Repository window, I right
clicked, and selected New -> Repository Location. You have to enter
the URL to the repository on your disk. Since mine is just a file
location (I didn't start the Apache server), I just set the URL up
like this:
URL: file:///C:/Documents and Settings/David/SNVRepository
Now I can see the files I placed into my repository earlier.
Good to go, I guess, although I'm still not quite sure how
to commit files, etc. Still learning. But I'm making some
progress again.
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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