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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58152]

Tue, 22 January 2008 04:56

R.Bauer
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Registered: November 1998

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Nigel Wade schrieb:
> Reimar Bauer wrote:
>
>> Rick Towler schrieb:
>>>
>>> Reimar Bauer wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> a very nice improvement the eclipse workbench !
>>>>
>>>> Some questions from one using it already with different other languages.
>>>> 2. Is there an other update extension planned as using the
>>>> Software-updates feature? A shell command without X would be nice on
>>>> a unix system. (probably on a win system too, where the user has no
>>>> admin rights) Or does one know about something similiar?
>>> Are administrator rights required to update Eclipse/IDL Workbench on any
>>> platform? I currently run as administrator on my windows machine (which
>>> is the standard configuration for a few more weeks) so I haven't run
>>> into this.
>> Yes you do need root/administrator rights. On linux you don't have write
>> access as user on the file location of installed programs.
>
> I think, but am not certain, that individual users can install their own
> upgrades to Eclipse. These will be personal, and installed into their own home
> area, overriding the default system version. For a system-wide upgrade you do
> need to be root (or whichever user installed IDL/Eclipse, but I think it
> insists on root).
>
>

hmm, it seems to be possible to install a patch as user but after
restarting the workbench I get the same updates offered again.
So I am not sure too if it has worked.

But on a multiuser system I would prefer a system-wide upgrade with a
different non X related eclipse update

cheers
Reimar

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58177 is a reply to message #58152]

Mon, 21 January 2008 06:57

David Fanning
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Reimar Bauer writes:

> I recognized a workbench dir on linux in the dialog can easily get
> blanks at the end of the dirname. You have to trim yourself the dirname.

Can you elaborate a bit more on this. I'm not quite sure
what you are reporting. Thanks.

Cheers,

David

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Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58178 is a reply to message #58177]

Mon, 21 January 2008 06:24

Nigel Wade
Messages: 286
Registered: March 1998

Senior Member

Reimar Bauer wrote:

> Rick Towler schrieb:
>>
>>
>> Reimar Bauer wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> a very nice improvement the eclipse workbench !
>>>
>>> Some questions from one using it already with different other languages.
>>
>>> 2. Is there an other update extension planned as using the
>>> Software-updates feature? A shell command without X would be nice on
>>> a unix system. (probably on a win system too, where the user has no
>>> admin rights) Or does one know about something similiar?
>>
>> Are administrator rights required to update Eclipse/IDL Workbench on any
>> platform? I currently run as administrator on my windows machine (which
>> is the standard configuration for a few more weeks) so I haven't run
>> into this.
>
> Yes you do need root/administrator rights. On linux you don't have write
> access as user on the file location of installed programs.

I think, but am not certain, that individual users can install their own
upgrades to Eclipse. These will be personal, and installed into their own home
area, overriding the default system version. For a system-wide upgrade you do
need to be root (or whichever user installed IDL/Eclipse, but I think it
insists on root).

--
Nigel Wade, System Administrator, Space Plasma Physics Group,
University of Leicester, Leicester, LE1 7RH, UK
E-mail : nmw@ion.le.ac.uk
Phone : +44 (0)116 2523548, Fax : +44 (0)116 2523555

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58179 is a reply to message #58178]

Mon, 21 January 2008 04:57

R.Bauer
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Hi

I recognized a workbench dir on linux in the dialog can easily get
blanks at the end of the dirname. You have to trim yourself the dirname.

Category:Useability

cheers
Reimar
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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58181 is a reply to message #58179]

Mon, 21 January 2008 03:29

R.Bauer
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Registered: November 1998

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David Fanning schrieb:
> Reimar Bauer writes:
>
>> 1. Is there a way to add the idl dev environment to an already existing
>> eclipse setup?
>
> I've added a couple of articles on this topic to my web
> page this morning, collecting the collective wisdom of
> this group:
>
> http://www.dfanning.com/workbench/addtoeclipse.html
> http://www.dfanning.com/workbench/otherlang.html
>
> As we accumulate experience, I'll be updating the pages.
> I recommend you send all your updates here. I'll probably
> see them. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David

Thanks a lot David!

cheers
Reimar

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58183 is a reply to message #58181]

Mon, 21 January 2008 01:46

R.Bauer
Messages: 1424
Registered: November 1998

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Rick Towler schrieb:
>
>
> Reimar Bauer wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> a very nice improvement the eclipse workbench !
>>
>> Some questions from one using it already with different other languages.
>
>> 2. Is there an other update extension planned as using the
>> Software-updates feature? A shell command without X would be nice on
>> a unix system. (probably on a win system too, where the user has no
>> admin rights) Or does one know about something similiar?
>
> Are administrator rights required to update Eclipse/IDL Workbench on any
> platform? I currently run as administrator on my windows machine (which
> is the standard configuration for a few more weeks) so I haven't run
> into this.

Yes you do need root/administrator rights. On linux you don't have write
access as user on the file location of installed programs.

Reimar

>
> Changes in how US federal civilian IT systems are managed will require
> an update mechanism (if provided w/in the application) that can be run
> as a standard user. Waivers for applications failing to meet this
> criteria will be granted in the short term (even MS office fails at this
> right now). Longer term, vendors will have to change their applications
> or face issues selling to US Federal agencies.
>
> On a related note, has any .gov users tried running the last few
> versions of IDL under the FDCC? Any problems? We're in the early
> stages of rolling out FDCC and I will be setting up a machine next month
> to test the various applications used by our group (IDL being one).
>
> -Rick

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58184 is a reply to message #58183]

Sun, 20 January 2008 11:25

Rick Towler
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Registered: August 1998

Senior Member

Reimar Bauer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> a very nice improvement the eclipse workbench !
>
> Some questions from one using it already with different other languages.

> 2. Is there an other update extension planned as using the
> Software-updates feature? A shell command without X would be nice on
> a unix system. (probably on a win system too, where the user has no
> admin rights) Or does one know about something similiar?

Are administrator rights required to update Eclipse/IDL Workbench on any
platform? I currently run as administrator on my windows machine (which
is the standard configuration for a few more weeks) so I haven't run
into this.

Changes in how US federal civilian IT systems are managed will require
an update mechanism (if provided w/in the application) that can be run
as a standard user. Waivers for applications failing to meet this
criteria will be granted in the short term (even MS office fails at this
right now). Longer term, vendors will have to change their applications
or face issues selling to US Federal agencies.

On a related note, has any .gov users tried running the last few
versions of IDL under the FDCC? Any problems? We're in the early
stages of rolling out FDCC and I will be setting up a machine next month
to test the various applications used by our group (IDL being one).

-Rick

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58195 is a reply to message #58184]

Fri, 18 January 2008 07:43

David Fanning
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Registered: August 2001

Senior Member

Reimar Bauer writes:

> 1. Is there a way to add the idl dev environment to an already existing
> eclipse setup?

I've added a couple of articles on this topic to my web
page this morning, collecting the collective wisdom of
this group:

http://www.dfanning.com/workbench/addtoeclipse.html
http://www.dfanning.com/workbench/otherlang.html

As we accumulate experience, I'll be updating the pages.
I recommend you send all your updates here. I'll probably
see them. :-)

Cheers,

David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58197 is a reply to message #58195]

Fri, 18 January 2008 07:30

R.Bauer
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Registered: November 1998

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Reimar Bauer schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> a very nice improvement the eclipse workbench !
>
> Some questions from one using it already with different other languages.
>
> 1. Is there a way to add the idl dev environment to an already existing
> eclipse setup?
ok that is answered in the thread
→ Use IDL Workbench with other languages?

> 2. Is there an other update extension planned as using the
> Software-updates feature? A shell command without X would be nice on
> a unix system. (probably on a win system too, where the user has no
> admin rights) Or does one know about something similiar?
> 3. cvs is one of the oldest revision control systems. Do you have plans
> to include others on default. e.g. mercurial
> (http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/)
>
>
> that's for now. I do look now closer into the improvements. :)
>
>

Another question:
I like to control the standalone web server included, any ideas?

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Re: idl 7.0 eclipse plugins and updates [message #58256 is a reply to message #58177]

Wed, 23 January 2008 06:11

R.Bauer
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Registered: November 1998

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David Fanning schrieb:
> Reimar Bauer writes:
>
>> I recognized a workbench dir on linux in the dialog can easily get
>> blanks at the end of the dirname. You have to trim yourself the dirname.
>
> Can you elaborate a bit more on this. I'm not quite sure
> what you are reporting. Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>

can't reproduce it. It happens as I tried to load a program into the
workbench doing idlde program.pro

cheers
Reimar
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