| IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61273] |
Mon, 14 July 2008 06:50  |
Haje Korth
Messages: 651
Registered: May 1997
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Hi,
I have some complicated IDL code I need to "reverse engineer". The bookmark
feature would be extremely helpful for this. However, when I try to create a
bookmark by right-clicking in the gutter next to the line of code, the menu
item "Add bookmark..." is greyed out. Do I have to push some magic button to
make this work?
Thanks for any insight,
Haje
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| Re: IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61325 is a reply to message #61273] |
Tue, 15 July 2008 07:22  |
Kenneth P. Bowman
Messages: 585
Registered: May 2000
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In article <MPG.22e64b3729f2bdd798a3e2@news.frii.com>,
David Fanning <news@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Haje Korth writes:
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>> Then again, the iTools are not either.
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> Alas, I still don't know how to work an iTool. I keep hoping
> Ken is going to write a book about it.
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> Cheers,
>
> David
The only things I use the iTools for are problems where true interactivity
is essential. For me this means occasional use of the zoom and pan features
of iPlot, and the 3-D interactivity of iSurface and iVolume.
Before I could begin to write a book, I would have to actually understand
how the iTools work, and that is not likely to happen soon. I would also
want to have a much better understanding of objects, and given my current
workload, that is not likely to happen soon either. (I just realized that
this implies that I do understand other parts of IDL, which may be less
true than I would like to think. ;-) )
The iTools include a lot of things that don't fit my working style
(data importers, etc.). I prefer to handle those things myself in
conventional IDL code and then pass only the data that I want to
use to the iTool.
I would also be nervous that ITTVIS considers the iTools and their
documentation to be "finished".
I did put some simple iTool examples in my library
http://csrp.tamu.edu/downloads/idl/bowman_lib.zip
in case anyone wants to have a look, but I don't consider myself
an expert. I think Mike Galloy is the only one I would put in that
category.
Ken
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| Re: IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61331 is a reply to message #61273] |
Tue, 15 July 2008 06:56 |
Paul Van Delst[1]
Messages: 1157
Registered: April 2002
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David Fanning wrote:
> Haje Korth writes:
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>> That's what I thought when I got my first beta for IDL 7. But I have a
>> problem with adding complexity to my work flow where it si really not
>> needed. Hey, I think it is great the functionality is in there for those who
>> need it. It is just not for me.
>
> Actually, when you finally get the PATH stuff sorted
> out (and the latest update removes the most egregious
> problems with PATH-shifting), the Workbench is not too
> bad.
You realise, of course, that a rudimentary search of this newsgroup's archives of your
recent posts will reveal that not to be the case. You'd better start reporting more of
your Workbench success stories to up the SNR. :o)
> Alas, I still don't know how to work an iTool. I keep hoping
> Ken is going to write a book about it.
<my quick retort morphed into a mini-rant. Sorry.>
I've finally gotten used to the iSurface tool and the horrendously arcane visualisation
browser[+]. The easy rotation of surfaces I find *very* useful. Unfortunately it is
impossible to obtain a good quality PS of any iTool figures. And, if it is, ITTVIS has
quite effectively buried the functionality to do it well beyond any eShovel I have. Grrr....
I use iTools to visualise stuff - but to get publication plots I have to replicate
everything in direct graphics where I actually have control over PS output. Yesterday I
spent 30minutes replicating the intersecting surface plots in direct graphics so I could
create a PS file for import to a document. What took about 30 seconds in iTools took 30
minutes in DG (which is not too bad, really). Next time I have to do that, I'm going to
spend the 30 minutes combing the building for someone with a Matlab license (which I now
know exist since some Mathworks guys dropped by and gave a quite amazing presentation a
couple of weeks back).
cheers,
paulv
[+] That there is no way to adjust axis ranges by clicking on them (you have to select
"Data Space" in the vis browser) just makes me shake my head and sigh. The computing
science division of ITTVIS must work on separate floors from the cognitive psychology
division. (ha ha)
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| Re: IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61335 is a reply to message #61273] |
Tue, 15 July 2008 05:56 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
Registered: December 1999
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On Jul 15, 7:51 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Haje Korth writes:
>> That's what I thought when I got my first beta for IDL 7. But I have a
>> problem with adding complexity to my work flow where it si really not
>> needed. Hey, I think it is great the functionality is in there for those who
>> need it. It is just not for me.
>
> Actually, when you finally get the PATH stuff sorted
> out (and the latest update removes the most egregious
> problems with PATH-shifting), the Workbench is not too
> bad. I've even been using it to build projects for
> distribution on the Virtual Machine. (Although
> I'm still confused about how to add projects to projects.
> I don't think this works like it is suppose to yet.)
>
> But I do like the way I can keep my data and resources
> together with the source code I am working on. I find
> that enhances the work flow, rather than detracting
> from it.
>
> And I even find I'm using some of the multitudinous
> windows in the Workbench. I guess that's progress.
> I still use the IDL 6.4 Help, though. I can't wait
> the five minutes it takes the IDL 7 help to start up,
> plus the time it takes to configure the darn thing
> to show you the index instead of the content. Wish
> that could be fixed.
>
>> Then again, the iTools are not either.
>
> Alas, I still don't know how to work an iTool. I keep hoping
> Ken is going to write a book about it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Ditto what David said...
But I'm a bit confused. How can you work without projects? Doesn't
the ui force you to save the file in a project? even if it's
default? If this isn't the case - then why not save it in a project
anyway? At least you can use Bookmarks, then. FWIW, I do NOT
consider projects "adding complexity" - on the contrary, I consider it
a simplification - an aid to organization. Of course, as always,
YMMV.
Cheers,
Vince
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| Re: IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61336 is a reply to message #61273] |
Tue, 15 July 2008 05:51 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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Haje Korth writes:
> That's what I thought when I got my first beta for IDL 7. But I have a
> problem with adding complexity to my work flow where it si really not
> needed. Hey, I think it is great the functionality is in there for those who
> need it. It is just not for me.
Actually, when you finally get the PATH stuff sorted
out (and the latest update removes the most egregious
problems with PATH-shifting), the Workbench is not too
bad. I've even been using it to build projects for
distribution on the Virtual Machine. (Although
I'm still confused about how to add projects to projects.
I don't think this works like it is suppose to yet.)
But I do like the way I can keep my data and resources
together with the source code I am working on. I find
that enhances the work flow, rather than detracting
from it.
And I even find I'm using some of the multitudinous
windows in the Workbench. I guess that's progress.
I still use the IDL 6.4 Help, though. I can't wait
the five minutes it takes the IDL 7 help to start up,
plus the time it takes to configure the darn thing
to show you the index instead of the content. Wish
that could be fixed.
> Then again, the iTools are not either.
Alas, I still don't know how to work an iTool. I keep hoping
Ken is going to write a book about it.
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61337 is a reply to message #61273] |
Tue, 15 July 2008 05:26 |
Haje Korth
Messages: 651
Registered: May 1997
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That's what I thought when I got my first beta for IDL 7. But I have a
problem with adding complexity to my work flow where it si really not
needed. Hey, I think it is great the functionality is in there for those who
need it. It is just not for me. Then again, the iTools are not either. So
maybe I am just a big fun kill to the party. :-)
Greetings,
Haje
"David Fanning" <news@dfanning.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22e55a3a5a6ea17a98a3dd@news.frii.com...
> Haje Korth writes:
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>> grrr, found out whta is going wrong. This functionality is only available
>> for files in projects and I don't use these...
>
> Oh, man, you gotta get with the program. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: IDL 7 bookmarks [message #61470 is a reply to message #61405] |
Wed, 16 July 2008 09:11 |
Kenneth P. Bowman
Messages: 585
Registered: May 2000
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In article <48mdnanc7-PFE-DVnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Michael Galloy <mgalloy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kenneth P. Bowman wrote:
>> in case anyone wants to have a look, but I don't consider myself
>> an expert. I think Mike Galloy is the only one I would put in that
>> category.
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> I'm not sure if that is a compliment or an insult. In any case, I intend
> to write something that will include some iTools material.
>
> Mike
> --
> www.michaelgalloy.com
> Tech-X Corporation
> Software Developer II
Compliment, of course! There are a number of things in my
iTools routines that I never would have gotten working without
Mike's help.
Ken
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