| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61881] |
Tue, 05 August 2008 06:20 |
David Fanning
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Allan Whiteford writes:
> Is it perhaps because you've got the window focus following the mouse
> position rather than having to click on a window to make it active? This
> is the sort of thing which might mess something like this up if you're
> using some option which isn't how windows comes out of the box.
No, it is because the IDL process has been separated
from the Workbench process, and in doing so, this
piece of (essential, in my opinion) functionality
has gone missing.
I now have it on reliable authority that ITTVIS knows
about the problem (thank goodness!) and is working on
a solution. Apparently some complicated bridge work
between the two processes is required.
Eventually, I am assured, this grand experiment will
result in an IDL that is better than the old one. I sure
hope so. My wife tells me my cursing has increased
exponentially since I started working with the Workbench. :-(
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61882 is a reply to message #61881] |
Tue, 05 August 2008 05:55  |
Allan Whiteford
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David Fanning wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
>
>
>> Ah, ha. I just checked WSHOW with the latest IDL/ENVI
>> version of IDL that I have on one of my Windows computers.
>> There, in fact, WSHOW brings the IDL graphics window
>> forward, although the keyboard focus switches to the
>> graphics window, rather than remaining in the IDL command
>> window. That sort of robs the whole adventure of the
>> excitement, but at least it does *something*.
>>
>> Now, what the hell is the difference between IDL 7.0.1
>> and IDL/ENVI 7.0.1? And why has ITTVIS remained so silent
>> on this issue?
>
>
> This is really weird. Just another development you should
> know about. :-)
>
> I'm on a Windows machine that just has IDL installed.
> I have the IDL workbench running on the right-hand monitor,
> and it displays windows on the left-hand monitor. The
> graphics window is behind my e-mail and help windows on
> the left-hand monitor. I type "WSHOW" in the IDL command
> window, and the window jumps forward. Whoa!!
>
> I bring my e-mail window forward and try it again. Nothing.
>
> Huh!? I haven't been able to get this to work since. Has anyone
> heard the rumors about life on Mars? I think they are here. :-(
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> P.S. Let's just say it's not paranoia if people really are
> out to get you.
>
David,
Is it perhaps because you've got the window focus following the mouse
position rather than having to click on a window to make it active? This
is the sort of thing which might mess something like this up if you're
using some option which isn't how windows comes out of the box.
Thanks,
Allan
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61886 is a reply to message #61882] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 16:08 |
David Fanning
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Vince Hradil writes:
> Obviously, you have to try the workbench on your left monitor and the
> graphics window on the right monitor...
I've discovered that the moon has to be in the House of Aquarius,
and it has be be the first Monday of the month in an even
numbered year. Even then, you have to hold your tongue just
right to get it to work.
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61887 is a reply to message #61886] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 15:52 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
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On Aug 4, 5:38 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
>> Ah, ha. I just checked WSHOW with the latest IDL/ENVI
>> version of IDL that I have on one of my Windows computers.
>> There, in fact, WSHOW brings the IDL graphics window
>> forward, although the keyboard focus switches to the
>> graphics window, rather than remaining in the IDL command
>> window. That sort of robs the whole adventure of the
>> excitement, but at least it does *something*.
>
>> Now, what the hell is the difference between IDL 7.0.1
>> and IDL/ENVI 7.0.1? And why has ITTVIS remained so silent
>> on this issue?
>
> This is really weird. Just another development you should
> know about. :-)
>
> I'm on a Windows machine that just has IDL installed.
> I have the IDL workbench running on the right-hand monitor,
> and it displays windows on the left-hand monitor. The
> graphics window is behind my e-mail and help windows on
> the left-hand monitor. I type "WSHOW" in the IDL command
> window, and the window jumps forward. Whoa!!
>
> I bring my e-mail window forward and try it again. Nothing.
>
> Huh!? I haven't been able to get this to work since. Has anyone
> heard the rumors about life on Mars? I think they are here. :-(
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> P.S. Let's just say it's not paranoia if people really are
> out to get you.
>
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Obviously, you have to try the workbench on your left monitor and the
graphics window on the right monitor...
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61888 is a reply to message #61887] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 15:38 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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David Fanning writes:
> Ah, ha. I just checked WSHOW with the latest IDL/ENVI
> version of IDL that I have on one of my Windows computers.
> There, in fact, WSHOW brings the IDL graphics window
> forward, although the keyboard focus switches to the
> graphics window, rather than remaining in the IDL command
> window. That sort of robs the whole adventure of the
> excitement, but at least it does *something*.
>
> Now, what the hell is the difference between IDL 7.0.1
> and IDL/ENVI 7.0.1? And why has ITTVIS remained so silent
> on this issue?
This is really weird. Just another development you should
know about. :-)
I'm on a Windows machine that just has IDL installed.
I have the IDL workbench running on the right-hand monitor,
and it displays windows on the left-hand monitor. The
graphics window is behind my e-mail and help windows on
the left-hand monitor. I type "WSHOW" in the IDL command
window, and the window jumps forward. Whoa!!
I bring my e-mail window forward and try it again. Nothing.
Huh!? I haven't been able to get this to work since. Has anyone
heard the rumors about life on Mars? I think they are here. :-(
Cheers,
David
P.S. Let's just say it's not paranoia if people really are
out to get you.
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61891 is a reply to message #61888] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 08:43 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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David Fanning writes:
>> The console prints this:
>>
>> IDL Version 7.0.1, Microsoft Windows (Win32 x86 m32). (c) 2008, ITT
>> Visual Information Solutions
>>
>> However, Help->About IDL Workbench says this:
>>
>> Version: 7.0.2 Build id: 20080320
>> (c) Copyright 2007 ITT Visual Information Solutions. All rights
>> reserved.
>>
>> 7.0.2 is the version of the workbench that ships with ENVI 4.5. I've
>> tried WSHOW on three different WinXP computers where 4.5/7.0.2 is
>> installed and it works as expected. I recently spoke with the
>> correspondent you mentioned in your second post and it worked for him,
>> too. It wasn't exactly the functionality he was looking for, but it
>> did work.
>
> Well, this is a mystery, for sure. I have IDL 7 installed
> on three separate computers, two Windows XP and one LINUX,
> and WSHOW works identically on all of them. Plus, I've
> taught IDL classes using IDL 7 on everything from
> Windows Vista to Macs to other flavors of UNIX and I have
> never seen it work there, either.
Ah, ha. I just checked WSHOW with the latest IDL/ENVI
version of IDL that I have on one of my Windows computers.
There, in fact, WSHOW brings the IDL graphics window
forward, although the keyboard focus switches to the
graphics window, rather than remaining in the IDL command
window. That sort of robs the whole adventure of the
excitement, but at least it does *something*.
Now, what the hell is the difference between IDL 7.0.1
and IDL/ENVI 7.0.1? And why has ITTVIS remained so silent
on this issue?
Cheers,
David
P.S. I am *so* glad experience has taught me not to
call everyone who disagrees with me a liar. It saves
a great deal of crow eating. :-)
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61893 is a reply to message #61891] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 05:16 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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David Fanning writes:
> But, in 30+ years of working with computers, I've been
> conditioned to believe anything
Did I say 30+ years!? Sorry. I've been backpacking this
weekend. It just *feels* like 30+ years this morning. :-(
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61894 is a reply to message #61893] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 05:12 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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devin.white@gmail.com writes:
> The console prints this:
>
> IDL Version 7.0.1, Microsoft Windows (Win32 x86 m32). (c) 2008, ITT
> Visual Information Solutions
>
> However, Help->About IDL Workbench says this:
>
> Version: 7.0.2 Build id: 20080320
> (c) Copyright 2007 ITT Visual Information Solutions. All rights
> reserved.
>
> 7.0.2 is the version of the workbench that ships with ENVI 4.5. I've
> tried WSHOW on three different WinXP computers where 4.5/7.0.2 is
> installed and it works as expected. I recently spoke with the
> correspondent you mentioned in your second post and it worked for him,
> too. It wasn't exactly the functionality he was looking for, but it
> did work.
Well, this is a mystery, for sure. I have IDL 7 installed
on three separate computers, two Windows XP and one LINUX,
and WSHOW works identically on all of them. Plus, I've
taught IDL classes using IDL 7 on everything from
Windows Vista to Macs to other flavors of UNIX and I have
never seen it work there, either.
But, in 30+ years of working with computers, I've been
conditioned to believe anything. And if the damn thing
works *somewhere*, at least there is hope. :-)
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61895 is a reply to message #61894] |
Mon, 04 August 2008 03:32 |
devin.white
Messages: 50
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On Aug 3, 2:57 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> devin.wh...@gmail.com writes:
>> I'm using 7.0.2 on Windows XP and this worked:
>> IDL> window, 0
>> IDL> plot, findgen(25)
>> IDL> wshow, 0
>
>> The plot window popped up, as expected. What version of the workbench
>> are you using?
>
> I'm not sure what you've been smoking, but AFAIK,
> there is no IDL 7.0.2 in the world, and I know for
> a fact that WSHOW doesn't do squat on a Windows XP
> system, in *any* version of IDL 7. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
The console prints this:
IDL Version 7.0.1, Microsoft Windows (Win32 x86 m32). (c) 2008, ITT
Visual Information Solutions
However, Help->About IDL Workbench says this:
Version: 7.0.2 Build id: 20080320
(c) Copyright 2007 ITT Visual Information Solutions. All rights
reserved.
7.0.2 is the version of the workbench that ships with ENVI 4.5. I've
tried WSHOW on three different WinXP computers where 4.5/7.0.2 is
installed and it works as expected. I recently spoke with the
correspondent you mentioned in your second post and it worked for him,
too. It wasn't exactly the functionality he was looking for, but it
did work.
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61904 is a reply to message #61895] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 11:57 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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devin.white@gmail.com writes:
> I'm using 7.0.2 on Windows XP and this worked:
> IDL> window, 0
> IDL> plot, findgen(25)
> IDL> wshow, 0
>
> The plot window popped up, as expected. What version of the workbench
> are you using?
I'm not sure what you've been smoking, but AFAIK,
there is no IDL 7.0.2 in the world, and I know for
a fact that WSHOW doesn't do squat on a Windows XP
system, in *any* version of IDL 7. :-)
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61905 is a reply to message #61904] |
Sun, 03 August 2008 06:01 |
devin.white
Messages: 50
Registered: March 2007
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On Aug 2, 12:01 pm, Vince Hradil <hrad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 8:39 am, "devin.wh...@gmail.com" <devin.wh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 1, 11:08 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
>
>>> Robert Moss writes:
>>>> That's odd. I just ran a quick test and it seems to work fine for me.
>>>> Does WSHOW not bring ANY window forward for you, or is it something
>>>> more subtle?
>
>>> WSHOW acts pretty much exactly like my teenage son.
>>> Do I need to say it any plainer? Nothing. Nada. No can do.
>>> Terribly, terribly annoying. :-)
>
>>> Cheers,
>
>>> David
>>> --
>>> David Fanning, Ph.D.
>>> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
>>> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
>>> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
>
>> I'm using 7.0.2 on Windows XP and this worked:
>> IDL> window, 0
>> IDL> plot, findgen(25)
>> IDL> wshow, 0
>
>> The plot window popped up, as expected. What version of the workbench
>> are you using?
>
> I'm using 7.0.3 - let's be sure about what is meant by "popped up".
> Did it actually move the plot window to the front of the window
> stack? I get nothing...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes. I closed all open applications, launched the DE, created the
window, launched several other applications (Word, Internet Explorer,
Acrobat, and ArcGIS), went back to the DE, entered the PLOT command
(window still in the background at this point), then typed WSHOW, 0.
The plot window was brought to the front of the stack, with the DE
sitting right behind it.
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61906 is a reply to message #61905] |
Sat, 02 August 2008 09:01 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
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On Aug 2, 8:39 am, "devin.wh...@gmail.com" <devin.wh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:08 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Robert Moss writes:
>>> That's odd. I just ran a quick test and it seems to work fine for me.
>>> Does WSHOW not bring ANY window forward for you, or is it something
>>> more subtle?
>
>> WSHOW acts pretty much exactly like my teenage son.
>> Do I need to say it any plainer? Nothing. Nada. No can do.
>> Terribly, terribly annoying. :-)
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> David
>> --
>> David Fanning, Ph.D.
>> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
>> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
>> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
>
> I'm using 7.0.2 on Windows XP and this worked:
> IDL> window, 0
> IDL> plot, findgen(25)
> IDL> wshow, 0
>
> The plot window popped up, as expected. What version of the workbench
> are you using?
I'm using 7.0.3 - let's be sure about what is meant by "popped up".
Did it actually move the plot window to the front of the window
stack? I get nothing...
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61907 is a reply to message #61906] |
Sat, 02 August 2008 06:39 |
devin.white
Messages: 50
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On Aug 1, 11:08 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Robert Moss writes:
>> That's odd. I just ran a quick test and it seems to work fine for me.
>> Does WSHOW not bring ANY window forward for you, or is it something
>> more subtle?
>
> WSHOW acts pretty much exactly like my teenage son.
> Do I need to say it any plainer? Nothing. Nada. No can do.
> Terribly, terribly annoying. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
I'm using 7.0.2 on Windows XP and this worked:
IDL> window, 0
IDL> plot, findgen(25)
IDL> wshow, 0
The plot window popped up, as expected. What version of the workbench
are you using?
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61910 is a reply to message #61907] |
Fri, 01 August 2008 20:08 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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Robert Moss writes:
> That's odd. I just ran a quick test and it seems to work fine for me.
> Does WSHOW not bring ANY window forward for you, or is it something
> more subtle?
WSHOW acts pretty much exactly like my teenage son.
Do I need to say it any plainer? Nothing. Nada. No can do.
Terribly, terribly annoying. :-)
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61911 is a reply to message #61910] |
Fri, 01 August 2008 19:41 |
Vince Hradil
Messages: 574
Registered: December 1999
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On Aug 1, 9:17 pm, Robert Moss <robert.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 1:06 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> David Fanning writes:
>>> Despite the fact that every Monday morning I write a note to
>>> ITTVIS support alerting them to the fact that WSHOW doesn't
>>> work in the IDL Workbench, the problem persists. Does anyone
>>> have any insight at all into why this is such an intractable
>>> problem to solve?
>
>> A correspondent this morning, who just installed IDL 7
>> for the first time yesterday, called ITTVIS technical
>> support to inquire about this. He told me they claimed
>> they "had never heard of the problem before".
>
>> I guess that explains a lot of things. :-(
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> David
>> --
>> David Fanning, Ph.D.
>> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
>> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
>> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
>
> That's odd. I just ran a quick test and it seems to work fine for me.
> Does WSHOW not bring ANY window forward for you, or is it something
> more subtle?
>
> Robert Moss
Doesn't work for me - WinXP on my laptop. wshow, 0 and the window is
still behind the IDE. What OS are you using Robert?
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61912 is a reply to message #61911] |
Fri, 01 August 2008 19:17 |
Robert Moss, PhD
Messages: 29
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On Aug 1, 1:06 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> David Fanning writes:
>> Despite the fact that every Monday morning I write a note to
>> ITTVIS support alerting them to the fact that WSHOW doesn't
>> work in the IDL Workbench, the problem persists. Does anyone
>> have any insight at all into why this is such an intractable
>> problem to solve?
>
> A correspondent this morning, who just installed IDL 7
> for the first time yesterday, called ITTVIS technical
> support to inquire about this. He told me they claimed
> they "had never heard of the problem before".
>
> I guess that explains a lot of things. :-(
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
That's odd. I just ran a quick test and it seems to work fine for me.
Does WSHOW not bring ANY window forward for you, or is it something
more subtle?
Robert Moss
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| Re: WSHOW Problem Persists [message #61913 is a reply to message #61912] |
Fri, 01 August 2008 10:06 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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David Fanning writes:
> Despite the fact that every Monday morning I write a note to
> ITTVIS support alerting them to the fact that WSHOW doesn't
> work in the IDL Workbench, the problem persists. Does anyone
> have any insight at all into why this is such an intractable
> problem to solve?
A correspondent this morning, who just installed IDL 7
for the first time yesterday, called ITTVIS technical
support to inquire about this. He told me they claimed
they "had never heard of the problem before".
I guess that explains a lot of things. :-(
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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