| Re: Coyote as Mac User [message #63171] |
Mon, 03 November 2008 07:26  |
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Paul Van Delst[1]
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David Fanning wrote:
> Folks,
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> Whoa!! I gotta have one of these!
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> I finally got my youngest to give up his Mac for a couple of
> hours so I could install IDL and check out of couple of things.
> Looks like my TLB resize problem is working well here. :-)
>
> I have a question for Mac users. What in the world to you
> do for a three-button mouse!? I can zoom in, but I sure
> as heck can't figure out how to zoom out. :-(
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> Do I need to re-write all my code for a one-button mouse?
Buy a 3-button mouse (I have a bluetooth Logitech with a scroll wheel... it works most of
the time).
It is one of the great mysteries of the universe (IMO) why apple continues to produce (let
alone ship by default) single button mice for their computers.
cheers,
paulv
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| Re: Coyote as Mac User [message #63172 is a reply to message #63171] |
Mon, 03 November 2008 07:21  |
JD Smith
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On Oct 31, 6:32 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Folks,
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> Whoa!! I gotta have one of these!
>
> I finally got my youngest to give up his Mac for a couple of
> hours so I could install IDL and check out of couple of things.
> Looks like my TLB resize problem is working well here. :-)
>
> I have a question for Mac users. What in the world to you
> do for a three-button mouse!? I can zoom in, but I sure
> as heck can't figure out how to zoom out. :-(
>
> Do I need to re-write all my code for a one-button mouse?
Perish the thought. Any USB or bluetooth or other wireless 3 button
mouse will work like a charm. The "mighty mouse" Apple ships by
default is a real three-button mouse (with a cute little two way
scroll wheel), masquerading as a one button mouse. It's not my
favorite, but most Mac users by now actually do have a full 3-button
mouse. Whether they use it as such is another matter (all IDL/Mac
users I know do).
If three-button-mouseless, option-click is button 2, apple-click is
button 3 under X (Control-click is right-click in the rest of the
OS). Also if on a recent Mac laptop, tapping the track pad with two
fingers at the same time sends mouse-3. Dragging with two fingers is
the same as scrolling (up down or left/right, or both
simultaneously!). The new ones have all sorts of fancy gestures:
http://www.macworld.com/article/136199/2008/10/macbooktrackp ad.html?lsrc=rss_main.
Be the first to implement iPhone-esque pinch zooming in IDL!
JD
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| Re: Coyote as Mac User [message #63176 is a reply to message #63172] |
Sun, 02 November 2008 07:14 |
james-a-roo
Messages: 6
Registered: January 2008
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Just go get an Apple wireless (bluetooth) mighty mouse!
normal 3 button action
scroll wheel which does both vertical and horizontal scrolling
side buttons as well.
i'm not sure what people do without one of these. it's the best mouse
i've used, thought it's middle click is a little touchy.
When i was using ubuntu on my mac, it had 3 button mouse/track pad
(could select and paste with the pad), which was really nice. seems
exclusive with the 2 fingered scrolling in mac, however. i wish there
were more options for configuring the mouse pad in mac.
i would guess that people who dont have a 3 button mouse for mac wont
use the features anyway, cause they just arent in the habit. You know
the reason that (i've heard) why apple dosent come with 3 buttons is
because it was too confusing for tech support to describe the function
of it while trouble shooting!!
On Nov 1, 8:52 pm, "M. Katz" <MKatz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I have a question for Mac users. What in the world to you
>> do for a three-button mouse!? I can zoom in, but I sure
>> as heck can't figure out how to zoom out. :-(
>
>> Do I need to re-write all my code for a one-button mouse?
>
> If you're setting up your own environment, you can customize the three-
> button mouse control to your heart's content.
>
> Step 1, just plug in a 3 button USB mouse. I like Macally brand, but
> I've used lots of different mice. In normal Mac applications, you'll
> find that the 3-button & scroll wheel paradigm is fully implemented.
> There's often a control-left-click, or option-left-click workaround
> for many button variations.
>
> Step 2, since IDL on Mac uses OS X, it's not running as a native Mac
> app, so there are some differences. For example, you should be able to
> cut and paste using the mouse selection and the middle button, just
> like on X Windows. You might have to adjust the X11 > Preferences...
> where there's an option to "Emulate three button mouse."
>
> Step 3, some mouse manufacturers make a System Preferences Pane (like
> a Control Panel), that gives you even more control. See if you can
> install the correct driver from the company's website. (I would say
> that a majority of Mac peripherals don't need any kind of driver to be
> installed by the user.) Look for the Preference Pane in the System
> Preferences app. You may be able to instruct the mouse to have
> specific mouse-button control behaviors in specific applications. That
> is, you can tell it that in X11, for example, middle-button clicking
> causes an option-click to be generated.
>
> Between these three steps you should be able to do any kind of mouse
> control in IDL that you need.
>
> In writing code for other people, I figured I could just implement the
> full 3-button control scheme. Then I learned that some people, even on
> Windows, use really odd mice, and have mouse preferences that are much
> different than mine. I've decided to implement at least two ways of
> doing each of the mouse-based tasks that access the scroll-wheel, or
> the middle or right buttons.
>
> M.
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| Re: Coyote as Mac User [message #63178 is a reply to message #63176] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 20:52 |
M. Katz
Messages: 69
Registered: May 2005
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> I have a question for Mac users. What in the world to you
> do for a three-button mouse!? I can zoom in, but I sure
> as heck can't figure out how to zoom out. :-(
>
> Do I need to re-write all my code for a one-button mouse?
If you're setting up your own environment, you can customize the three-
button mouse control to your heart's content.
Step 1, just plug in a 3 button USB mouse. I like Macally brand, but
I've used lots of different mice. In normal Mac applications, you'll
find that the 3-button & scroll wheel paradigm is fully implemented.
There's often a control-left-click, or option-left-click workaround
for many button variations.
Step 2, since IDL on Mac uses OS X, it's not running as a native Mac
app, so there are some differences. For example, you should be able to
cut and paste using the mouse selection and the middle button, just
like on X Windows. You might have to adjust the X11 > Preferences...
where there's an option to "Emulate three button mouse."
Step 3, some mouse manufacturers make a System Preferences Pane (like
a Control Panel), that gives you even more control. See if you can
install the correct driver from the company's website. (I would say
that a majority of Mac peripherals don't need any kind of driver to be
installed by the user.) Look for the Preference Pane in the System
Preferences app. You may be able to instruct the mouse to have
specific mouse-button control behaviors in specific applications. That
is, you can tell it that in X11, for example, middle-button clicking
causes an option-click to be generated.
Between these three steps you should be able to do any kind of mouse
control in IDL that you need.
In writing code for other people, I figured I could just implement the
full 3-button control scheme. Then I learned that some people, even on
Windows, use really odd mice, and have mouse preferences that are much
different than mine. I've decided to implement at least two ways of
doing each of the mouse-based tasks that access the scroll-wheel, or
the middle or right buttons.
M.
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| Re: Coyote as Mac User [message #63320 is a reply to message #63172] |
Mon, 03 November 2008 07:33 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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JD Smith writes:
> If three-button-mouseless, option-click is button 2, apple-click is
> button 3 under X (Control-click is right-click in the rest of the
> OS).
I was on a Powerbook, without a mouse. I tried all the
CONTROL (ALT, APPLE, etc) key tricks I was familiar with
without any success at all. I don't think my son has
ever used an XTerm window, so I'm fairly certain he
didn't configure anything. But, what I was trying
to do was inside an IDL program, so maybe we are comparing
apples and oranges. I'll look more closely next time.
Thanks for everyone's help. By the way, I solved the
IDL Workbench behind the Apple bar at the top problem,
by clicking the "System Controls" (?) icon at the bottom
of the window. Just clicking it fixed the problem. Weird.
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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