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ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64171] Wed, 10 December 2008 02:44 Go to next message
wlandsman is currently offline  wlandsman
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Does anyone have any tricks to help navigate the recently "improved"
ITTVIS code contribution site at
http://www.ittvis.com/UserCommunity/CodeLibrary.aspx ?

The only way I can figure out how to browse the library to see what is
available is to consecutively view the 61 slowly loading pages of IDL
code contributions. Then if I find something interesting which I
might want to use at a later time, there is no way to bookmark it,
since my browser bookmark always goes back to the same frontpage
http://www.ittvis.com/UserCommunity/CodeLibrary.aspx

True, there is a search button, so if I remember a code name or
keyword I can then look it up. Even then, it does not seem possible
to enter the site with the search text already filled.

Thanks, --Wayne
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64223 is a reply to message #64171] Fri, 12 December 2008 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rick Towler is currently offline  Rick Towler
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Registered: August 1998
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I've half composed more diatribes on the suckiness of the RSI now ITTVIS
website more times than I care to admit. Pretty much every time I visit
the website or the topic comes up on this list I start typing. It
astounds me. And with this latest go around it is worse! I'm guessing
they have built it using iTools :)

But seriously ITTVIS, come on. Isn't more difficult to sell software
when your competitors sites are far superior? It's time to scrap your
current site and call in the pros. Given the current state of the US
economy I'm sure you can find some experienced web developers cheap!

-Rick



David Fanning wrote:
> wlandsman writes:
>
>> Does anyone have any tricks to help navigate the recently "improved"
>> ITTVIS code contribution site at
>> http://www.ittvis.com/UserCommunity/CodeLibrary.aspx ?
>>
>> The only way I can figure out how to browse the library to see what is
>> available is to consecutively view the 61 slowly loading pages of IDL
>> code contributions. Then if I find something interesting which I
>> might want to use at a later time, there is no way to bookmark it,
>> since my browser bookmark always goes back to the same frontpage
>> http://www.ittvis.com/UserCommunity/CodeLibrary.aspx
>>
>> True, there is a search button, so if I remember a code name or
>> keyword I can then look it up. Even then, it does not seem possible
>> to enter the site with the search text already filled.
>
> Whoa! You, too!?
>
> I thought I had fallen into some kind of a time warp
> because I suddenly had the feeling I was back in
> graduate school working with 300 baud modems. When
> I complained, no one at ITTVIS seemed to know
> what I was talking about, so I thought it was just
> me. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> P.S. You do begin to wonder though, don't you, if people
> who use the word "improved" know what it means.
>
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64227 is a reply to message #64171] Fri, 12 December 2008 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vince Hradil is currently offline  Vince Hradil
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On Dec 11, 11:29 am, "R.G. Stockwell" <notha...@noemail.com> wrote:
> <guillermo.castilla.castell...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:505c69a4-e2fa-4805-998d-4756e901b551@e18g2000yqo.google groups.com...
>
>> (that they tried to implement a google search mechanism
>> for the web site, but it kept crashing on them).
>
> Hey IDL guys, there is a google office just down the street.
> LITERALLY.
>
> you could walk there and ask them what's up with the google search.
>
> cheers,
> bob

Good point. FWIW try this: http://tinyurl.com/597old
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64229 is a reply to message #64171] Fri, 12 December 2008 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
R.Bauer is currently offline  R.Bauer
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guillermo.castilla.castellano@gmail.com schrieb:
> Yeah, plainly spoken, the user contributed library website sucks since
> they overhauled their entire portal in August. I complained at that
> time to ITTVIS that the previous site was way better, but received no
> answer. Some months later, in October, a colleague of mine who holds
> 50 ENVI licenses complained again, specifically about the lack of
> redirectioning for the old links (which happen to be cited in some
> scientific journals), the disappearance of the summary info that
> described each contribution and made easier to navigate the library;
> the reset of the information tracking the no. of downloads; and the
> funky search window, which instead of returning results would ask you
> to 'add a new item'.
>


> He received immediate response with the best intentions to resolve all
> these problems, and a very convincing explanation about the source of
> the problems (that they tried to implement a google search mechanism
> for the web site, but it kept crashing on them).

That sounds unbelievable. Why shouldn't they not be able to hire a
student who does hack that in their application in a few days?

cheers
Reimar


After two months,
> they have apparently solved the search issue, but the rest continues
> in a state that does not foster its usage or the addition of new
> contributions. Probably our only hope is that a military guy holding a
> big contract complains�
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64238 is a reply to message #64171] Thu, 11 December 2008 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
R.G. Stockwell is currently offline  R.G. Stockwell
Messages: 363
Registered: July 1999
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<guillermo.castilla.castellano@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:505c69a4-e2fa-4805-998d-4756e901b551@e18g2000yqo.google groups.com...
> (that they tried to implement a google search mechanism
> for the web site, but it kept crashing on them).

Hey IDL guys, there is a google office just down the street.
LITERALLY.

you could walk there and ask them what's up with the google search.

cheers,
bob
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64239 is a reply to message #64171] Thu, 11 December 2008 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
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guillermo.castilla.castellano@gmail.com writes:

> After two months,
> they have apparently solved the search issue, but the rest continues
> in a state that does not foster its usage or the addition of new
> contributions.

I would take issue with this. When I was searching for
RevolutionIDL this morning I tried "revolution IDL"
and came up completely empty. I finally discovered it
on the third or fourth try with "revolution". It is,
truly, one of the worst search engines I have ever used.

Cheers,

David

--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64240 is a reply to message #64171] Thu, 11 December 2008 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
guillermo.castilla.ca is currently offline  guillermo.castilla.ca
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Registered: September 2008
Junior Member
Yeah, plainly spoken, the user contributed library website sucks since
they overhauled their entire portal in August. I complained at that
time to ITTVIS that the previous site was way better, but received no
answer. Some months later, in October, a colleague of mine who holds
50 ENVI licenses complained again, specifically about the lack of
redirectioning for the old links (which happen to be cited in some
scientific journals), the disappearance of the summary info that
described each contribution and made easier to navigate the library;
the reset of the information tracking the no. of downloads; and the
funky search window, which instead of returning results would ask you
to 'add a new item'.

He received immediate response with the best intentions to resolve all
these problems, and a very convincing explanation about the source of
the problems (that they tried to implement a google search mechanism
for the web site, but it kept crashing on them). After two months,
they have apparently solved the search issue, but the rest continues
in a state that does not foster its usage or the addition of new
contributions. Probably our only hope is that a military guy holding a
big contract complains…
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64252 is a reply to message #64171] Thu, 11 December 2008 02:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
loebasboy is currently offline  loebasboy
Messages: 26
Registered: August 2008
Junior Member
On 10 dec, 21:35, "mgal...@gmail.com" <mgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 3:44 am, wlandsman <wlands...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> True, there is a search button, so if I remember a code name or
>> keyword I can then look it up.  
>
> I wouldn't count on it. I've had trouble finding routines that I knew
> the name and author for the routine.
>
> Mike
> --www.michaelgalloy.com
> Tech-X Corporation
> Associate Research Scientist

I had some troubles finding SCRM from Guillermo Castilla. But I found
it by first clicking on ENVI and then searching for scrm. Eventually I
found it though :)
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64258 is a reply to message #64171] Wed, 10 December 2008 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Galloy is currently offline  Michael Galloy
Messages: 1114
Registered: April 2006
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On Dec 10, 3:44 am, wlandsman <wlands...@gmail.com> wrote:
> True, there is a search button, so if I remember a code name or
> keyword I can then look it up.  

I wouldn't count on it. I've had trouble finding routines that I knew
the name and author for the routine.

Mike
--
www.michaelgalloy.com
Tech-X Corporation
Associate Research Scientist
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64269 is a reply to message #64171] Wed, 10 December 2008 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
Messages: 11724
Registered: August 2001
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wlandsman writes:

> Does anyone have any tricks to help navigate the recently "improved"
> ITTVIS code contribution site at
> http://www.ittvis.com/UserCommunity/CodeLibrary.aspx ?
>
> The only way I can figure out how to browse the library to see what is
> available is to consecutively view the 61 slowly loading pages of IDL
> code contributions. Then if I find something interesting which I
> might want to use at a later time, there is no way to bookmark it,
> since my browser bookmark always goes back to the same frontpage
> http://www.ittvis.com/UserCommunity/CodeLibrary.aspx
>
> True, there is a search button, so if I remember a code name or
> keyword I can then look it up. Even then, it does not seem possible
> to enter the site with the search text already filled.

Whoa! You, too!?

I thought I had fallen into some kind of a time warp
because I suddenly had the feeling I was back in
graduate school working with 300 baud modems. When
I complained, no one at ITTVIS seemed to know
what I was talking about, so I thought it was just
me. :-)

Cheers,

David

P.S. You do begin to wonder though, don't you, if people
who use the word "improved" know what it means.

--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: ITTVIS code contribution site [message #64317 is a reply to message #64223] Sun, 14 December 2008 18:44 Go to previous message
Robbie is currently offline  Robbie
Messages: 165
Registered: February 2006
Senior Member
This is a bit off-topic, but I've started using github.com. It took me
a while to get my head around version control using git, but it was
well worth the effort. I am just starting to use GitHub as a
repository and distribution point for applications. I'm often a bit
slow at merging changes, particularly when I make a change on a
clients computer and I forget to commit them back to my home
repository. With github this can all be done on the web.

Hopefully I will be able to show it all off when it is complete. It is
taking some time to design a sensible build system which will generate
pretty windows installers.
http://github.com/retsil/nmastage2

Robbie
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