| IDL installation tip for Linux [message #68952] |
Sun, 06 December 2009 19:28  |
penteado
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Again, I try to install IDL in a clean system (in this case Fedora
12), and again I wonder when IDL will have a decent Linux installer
(preferably using some packaging system), or at least give error
messages telling why it is not working.
In this particular instance, the symptom was that calling idlde
results in nothing at first sight: no error messages, no log files, no
dialogs, no asking for the workspace, just a brief pause before
returning to the command line. On further inspection, it only creates
a skeleton IDLWorkspace71 directory (without ever asking for the
worskpace to use).
What fixes it for me, which may come useful to some of you, is Adobe
Reader. Many times I found that installing the Reader with a package
manager (Adobe has a Fedora repository) gets as dependencies a bunch
of X libraries, apparently several of which are also used by IDL.
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| Re: IDL installation tip for Linux [message #69381 is a reply to message #68952] |
Thu, 14 January 2010 15:49  |
Michael Galloy
Messages: 1114
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On 1/13/10 5:22 PM, pp wrote:
> On Jan 13, 9:37 pm, Robbie<ret...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> So are these dependancies missing from the packaged version of java
>> in /usr/local/itt/idl/idlde/bin.linux.x86/jre/bin
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>> Would it be a non-trivial exercise for the next version of IDL to
>> interrogate all packaged shared objects before starting java?
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> I do not know where the dependencies originate. But IDL definitely
> needs a better installer, capable of figuring out if there are any
> missing dependencies. The nonuniformity of Linux distributions is no
> excuse, since there are several proprietary applications that have
> much easier installation. A few common examples:
>
> 1) Acrobat and Skype. Both share many dependencies with IDL, as I
> mentioned in this thread.
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> 2) Intel's compilers and VTune. Both use Eclipse.
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> 3) Sun's Java, Netbeans and compiler Studio.
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> 4) Google Earth and Opera.
>
> Of those, Acrobat and Skype provide repositories for Fedora (and I
> guess other distributions too), while the rest provide either rpm
> packages or install scripts that do a much better job than IDL's.
I agree that IDL definitely needs a better Linux installer.
One other small suggestion: don't name installer "install"! This causes
all manner of odd problems with conflicts between it and
/usr/bin/install. It should be "install_idl" or something.
Mike
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www.michaelgalloy.com
Research Mathematician
Tech-X Corporation
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| Re: IDL installation tip for Linux [message #69532 is a reply to message #68952] |
Fri, 22 January 2010 14:32 |
BLemire@ittvis.com
Messages: 9
Registered: March 2009
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On Jan 21, 5:04 pm, pp <pp.pente...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just tested it. I installed F12 from the install DVD, and selected
> even less than the default packages. That is, in the package selection
> screen shown at
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> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s 1-pkgsele...
>
> I deselected the "Office and Productivity" group. I did no other
> changes to package selection during installation.
>
> Then, after installing IDL 7.1.1, to get idl and idlde working, I had
> to do:
>
> yum install libXp
> yum install libXpm
>
> These got idl working, but not idlde. Then:
>
> yum install AdobeReader_enu.i486
> yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk.i686
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> After setting up adobe-linux-i386.repo, obviously. That got idlde to
> work. Then to get them to work also on 32 bit mode, I had to do:
>
> yum install libXpm.i686
> yum install libXmu.i686
> /sbin/restorecon '/opt/itt/idl71/bin/bin.linux.x86/libidl.so.7.1'
> chcon -t textrel_shlib_t '/opt/itt/idl71/bin/bin.linux.x86/libidl.so.
> 7.1'
>
> That got idl -32 to work. Then, for idlde -32 to work, it was
> necessary:
>
> chcon -t execmem_exec_t '/opt/itt/idl71/bin/bin.linux.x86/
> idl_opserver'
>
> The libXp, libXpm and libXmu libraries installed just a single package
> each. Adobe Reader and Java had a large number of dependencies. I
> saved into a file the names of all packages that got installed, and
> more details about the error messages at each point. Let me know if
> you want to see those.
>
> As I remember, when I did a similar install in another system,
> installing Skype from its repository had a similar effect as
> installing Adobe Reader.
>
> In addition to adding Tech Tips to the website, once you determine all
> libraries that are needed in addition to a default install of the main
> distributions, this information should be incorporated into the
> install script. That is, it should try to determine which is the
> current distribution. Then, it finds the distribution is one of those
> it knows, it should test for the presence of the known additional
> dependencies, and report the missing ones.
>
> In the case of F12, testing for the distribution can be done looking
> for the file /etc/system-release, which contains
>
> Fedorarelease12(Constantine)
>
> And I guess the same is present also on older versions ofFedora(I
> know it is in F11). Then, inFedorasystems, simple rpm query commands
> can be used to find out if the other libraries are installed.
Thank you for providing this information. If you would be willing to
email me the file that you saved I will make sure it gets into the
appropriate hands.
Best,
Brandon
BLemire@ittvis.com
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| Re: IDL installation tip for Linux [message #69544 is a reply to message #68952] |
Thu, 21 January 2010 16:04 |
penteado
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I just tested it. I installed F12 from the install DVD, and selected
even less than the default packages. That is, in the package selection
screen shown at
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/s 1-pkgselection-x86.html
I deselected the "Office and Productivity" group. I did no other
changes to package selection during installation.
Then, after installing IDL 7.1.1, to get idl and idlde working, I had
to do:
yum install libXp
yum install libXpm
These got idl working, but not idlde. Then:
yum install AdobeReader_enu.i486
yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk.i686
After setting up adobe-linux-i386.repo, obviously. That got idlde to
work. Then to get them to work also on 32 bit mode, I had to do:
yum install libXpm.i686
yum install libXmu.i686
/sbin/restorecon '/opt/itt/idl71/bin/bin.linux.x86/libidl.so.7.1'
chcon -t textrel_shlib_t '/opt/itt/idl71/bin/bin.linux.x86/libidl.so.
7.1'
That got idl -32 to work. Then, for idlde -32 to work, it was
necessary:
chcon -t execmem_exec_t '/opt/itt/idl71/bin/bin.linux.x86/
idl_opserver'
The libXp, libXpm and libXmu libraries installed just a single package
each. Adobe Reader and Java had a large number of dependencies. I
saved into a file the names of all packages that got installed, and
more details about the error messages at each point. Let me know if
you want to see those.
As I remember, when I did a similar install in another system,
installing Skype from its repository had a similar effect as
installing Adobe Reader.
In addition to adding Tech Tips to the website, once you determine all
libraries that are needed in addition to a default install of the main
distributions, this information should be incorporated into the
install script. That is, it should try to determine which is the
current distribution. Then, it finds the distribution is one of those
it knows, it should test for the presence of the known additional
dependencies, and report the missing ones.
In the case of F12, testing for the distribution can be done looking
for the file /etc/system-release, which contains
Fedora release 12 (Constantine)
And I guess the same is present also on older versions of Fedora (I
know it is in F11). Then, in Fedora systems, simple rpm query commands
can be used to find out if the other libraries are installed.
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| Re: IDL installation tip for Linux [message #69549 is a reply to message #68952] |
Thu, 21 January 2010 11:56 |
penteado
Messages: 866
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On Jan 21, 4:03 pm, "BLem...@ittvis.com" <brandonlem...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> We are running some tests with different OS's (Fedora 12, Ubuntu 9.10,
> etc) to develop a Tech Tip to help our customers install and run IDL
> on their systems. I was wondering if you did anything else other than
> install Adobe to get the IDLDE to work on your Fedora 12
> installation. I was wondering if you have seen any strange behavior
> with the IDLDE since you got it to properly launch.
As far as I remember, it was just adding Adobe Reader, or Skype, from
their repositories, to a clean F12 x86_64 install. libXp was necessary
even for the command line IDL, but the error message when it was
missing clearly indicated it. The installation was from the Fedora
install DVD, not a Live image. I will see if I find a spare hard drive
to do a test install, to see what happens with the default package
selection.
After that, I do not remember any strange behavior.
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| Re: IDL installation tip for Linux [message #69554 is a reply to message #68952] |
Thu, 21 January 2010 10:03 |
BLemire@ittvis.com
Messages: 9
Registered: March 2009
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On Dec 6 2009, 8:28 pm, pp <pp.pente...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, I try to install IDL in a clean system (in this caseFedora12), and again I wonder when IDL will have a decent Linux installer
> (preferably using some packaging system), or at least give error
> messages telling why it is not working.
>
> In this particular instance, the symptom was that calling idlde
> results in nothing at first sight: no error messages, no log files, no
> dialogs, no asking for the workspace, just a brief pause before
> returning to the command line. On further inspection, it only creates
> a skeleton IDLWorkspace71 directory (without ever asking for the
> worskpace to use).
>
> What fixes it for me, which may come useful to some of you, is Adobe
> Reader. Many times I found that installing the Reader with a package
> manager (Adobe has aFedorarepository) gets as dependencies a bunch
> of X libraries, apparently several of which are also used by IDL.
We are running some tests with different OS's (Fedora 12, Ubuntu 9.10,
etc) to develop a Tech Tip to help our customers install and run IDL
on their systems. I was wondering if you did anything else other than
install Adobe to get the IDLDE to work on your Fedora 12
installation. I was wondering if you have seen any strange behavior
with the IDLDE since you got it to properly launch.
Our goal in support is to capture as much information as possible so
that we can review potential solutions to these issues. We currently
have a list of libraries that need to be installed to get the IDLDE to
open without any errors. A library issue that has been reported to
Eclipse is creating some bizarre behavior still. An example of this
behavior is when using the mouse to try and save a newly created
procedure nothing happens. If you click the enter button then the new
file will be saved. We are researching workarounds to enable the
mouse to work as expected. There may be some other issues that we
have not yet run into so we will keep you posted on the progress we
are making.
It is important to us that we provide as much help with the
installation process as possible. Any information that you have feel
will help us do this is welcome.
Best Regards,
Brandon
Brandon Lemire
ITT VIS
IDL Technical Support Engineer
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