| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72567] |
Fri, 24 September 2010 09:40 |
Matt Haffner
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Oh, just to be clear, I was excited there is a way to *disable* this
new behavior. I also hate it!
And back to the direct graphics windows issue, I hadn't tested that
well when I answered before. On OS X WSHOW is bringing DG windows to
the foreground. Now that I turned off the "graphics on top", uh,
feature, they really do come all the way to the top! So, you may be
back again to a Windows vs. IDL 8 issue, unfortunately. :(
mh
On Sep 24, 10:43 am, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Matt Haffner writes:
>> Nice, I didn't catch that. I don't quite understand when that is
>> useful, especially as a default (unless I flipped it by accident ;).
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> I presume when you are forced to work on a laptop and
> the graphics window is about the size of your edit window. :-)
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> Doesn't it make a bit more sense, though, to let the
> *user* be in charge of where and when he wants the
> damn window to be on top? I never thought I would
> turn into an activist for the WShow command, of
> all things, but there you are. I miss it! :-(
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> Cheers,
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> David
>
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72570 is a reply to message #72567] |
Fri, 24 September 2010 08:43  |
David Fanning
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Matt Haffner writes:
> Nice, I didn't catch that. I don't quite understand when that is
> useful, especially as a default (unless I flipped it by accident ;).
I presume when you are forced to work on a laptop and
the graphics window is about the size of your edit window. :-)
Doesn't it make a bit more sense, though, to let the
*user* be in charge of where and when he wants the
damn window to be on top? I never thought I would
turn into an activist for the WShow command, of
all things, but there you are. I miss it! :-(
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72571 is a reply to message #72570] |
Fri, 24 September 2010 08:33 |
Matt Haffner
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On Sep 23, 11:01 pm, Paulo Penteado <pp.pente...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 12:56 am, Matt Haffner <matt.haff...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> It could be IDL since this is similar with OS X. Whenever the IDL DE
>> is the active app, the new graphics windows pop to the top--even
>> *over* the DE window. The DE gets focus when you click on it, but
>> graphics windows are always on top.
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> The always on top behavior is new on IDL 8, and can be turned off in
> the preferences.
Nice, I didn't catch that. I don't quite understand when that is
useful, especially as a default (unless I flipped it by accident ;).
mh
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72580 is a reply to message #72576] |
Thu, 23 September 2010 22:24 |
David Fanning
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Paulo Penteado writes:
> The always on top behavior is new on IDL 8, and can be turned off in
> the preferences.
This appears to be true, although the preference is
a bit misleading. It says "Graphics windows stay on
top". What it means is that "New graphics windows
stay on top, if they are not embedded in a widget
program or some other useful construction. Normal
graphics windows and embedded new graphics windows
disappear behind other applications and are lost
for all time."
I can understand wanting the direct graphics folks
to get down in steerage where they belong, but
isn't taking away their WShow command like kicking
them in the teeth, too. :-(
Cheers,
David
P.S. Despite the rough treatment, I don't see direct
graphics programs disappearing any time soon. As much
as I like the new graphics commands (and, of course, I
mean when they work), there seem to be a number of
limitations to actually using them in programs. I'll
say this about them, though. The fonts are beautiful!
Whether that's enough to get the old codgers to
adopt them I don't know. Somebody had better be working
on a bunch of whiz-bang examples to show the folks the
way.
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72581 is a reply to message #72580] |
Thu, 23 September 2010 21:01 |
penteado
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On Sep 24, 12:56 am, Matt Haffner <matt.haff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It could be IDL since this is similar with OS X. Whenever the IDL DE
> is the active app, the new graphics windows pop to the top--even
> *over* the DE window. The DE gets focus when you click on it, but
> graphics windows are always on top.
The always on top behavior is new on IDL 8, and can be turned off in
the preferences.
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72582 is a reply to message #72581] |
Thu, 23 September 2010 20:56 |
Matt Haffner
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It could be IDL since this is similar with OS X. Whenever the IDL DE
is the active app, the new graphics windows pop to the top--even
*over* the DE window. The DE gets focus when you click on it, but
graphics windows are always on top.
mh
On Sep 23, 5:55 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> chris writes:
>> Do you use this "feature" in Windows 7 or Vista? Both versions have
>> the bug of "stealing focus" of active applications (randomly)...
>> Maybe, it's not IDL.
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> Well, it's possible. It *does* appear to be a
> random process. :-(
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> Cheers,
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> David
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> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72586 is a reply to message #72582] |
Thu, 23 September 2010 15:55 |
David Fanning
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chris writes:
> Do you use this "feature" in Windows 7 or Vista? Both versions have
> the bug of "stealing focus" of active applications (randomly)...
> Maybe, it's not IDL.
Well, it's possible. It *does* appear to be a
random process. :-(
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.dfanning.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: WShow in IDL 8 [message #72592 is a reply to message #72586] |
Thu, 23 September 2010 15:08 |
rogass
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On 23 Sep., 00:31, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Folks,
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> If anyone is keep track of these things, WSHOW seems
> to be broken again in IDL 8 on my Windows machine.
> IDL graphics windows that go behind other applications
> seem to be lost forever.
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> Oh, wait a minute! I'm pretty sure this is deliberate.
> If I have a "new" window open, it pops to the front the
> second I move my cursor into the IDLDE. I guess *that*
> will force me to learn new graphics! ;-)
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> Cheers,
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> David
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> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.dfanning.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Do you use this "feature" in Windows 7 or Vista? Both versions have
the bug of "stealing focus" of active applications (randomly)...
Maybe, it's not IDL.
Regards
CR
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