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| Re: One Reason Python is not taking over for IDL [message #78822 is a reply to message #78762] |
Sat, 24 December 2011 20:07  |
penteado
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On Dec 22, 6:22 am, Mort Canty <mort.ca...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Dunno about Mac OSX, and I'm definitely just a windows nerd, but I've
> got Python 2.7 (both 32 and 64 bit) installed on Windows 7 with
> Eclipse/Pydev for development. Also 32 and 64 bit Numpy, Scipy,
> Matplotlib and GDAL. It was easy, it was free and it's beautiful.
I also do not know about Macs. In recent, decent Linux installations
Python and the most standard libraries are either already installed or
can be easily installed by the package managers. Having a decent IDE
with an interactive debugger working (as we have in IDL) is, in my
experience, often not so easy.
But when it comes to having all the (often specific) version of all
the libraries that a program needs, it can be a lot of work. I just
spent days trying to do it for one particular application, trying many
install options, in many different OS versions, until I eventually
found (by running VMs) an installation where I could get every version
of every library I needed. Now I am going to install that version in
the computer where I will need the software (fortunately the computer
is for that single purpose, so I have the luxury of being able to
choose the particular OS version to put in it).
Then there is also the Python 2 x Python 3 issue...
So in that respect I still find IDL far more convenient. Even though
object graphics (in all its forms) gets severely broken when hardware
renderization is not available (a common problem with old hardware on
new OS versions, or with remote access).
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| Re: One Reason Python is not taking over for IDL [message #78830 is a reply to message #78762] |
Thu, 22 December 2011 00:22 |
mort.canty
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On 21 Dez., 17:33, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Folks,
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> Here is one (probably the main) reason Python is not taking
> over for IDL:
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> http://software-carpentry.org/2011/12/it-just-keeps-on-hurti ng/
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> Cheers,
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> David
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> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.idlcoyote.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Dunno about Mac OSX, and I'm definitely just a windows nerd, but I've
got Python 2.7 (both 32 and 64 bit) installed on Windows 7 with
Eclipse/Pydev for development. Also 32 and 64 bit Numpy, Scipy,
Matplotlib and GDAL. It was easy, it was free and it's beautiful.
Mort
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| Re: One Reason Python is not taking over for IDL [message #78843 is a reply to message #78762] |
Wed, 21 December 2011 13:20 |
David Fanning
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Russell writes:
> I tried the new graphics
> stuff, thought it cool, and recognized their utility (though I'm sure
> I'll never fully appreciate or realize their full potential);
Yes, their potential is nearly infinite. Their functionality
is, well, something else. ;-)
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: One Reason Python is not taking over for IDL [message #78846 is a reply to message #78762] |
Wed, 21 December 2011 13:09 |
Russell[1]
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Well, when I first got IDL 8, I immediately ran to those marketing
materials and tried all the new tricks. It was Christmas morning all
over again, and I loved all my new toys. I didn't get too far into
the lists, but was thrilled at the possibility of doing a way with
things like
d = ptrarr(nobj)
for i=0,nobj-1 do d(i)=ptr_new(findgen(i+1))
to emulate, what is now called, a list. I tried the new graphics
stuff, thought it cool, and recognized their utility (though I'm sure
I'll never fully appreciate or realize their full potential); but hold
onto my old routines/tricks. Again, I need to swap code with a few
people for the time being -- so i'm fighting the temptation of
Pandora's Box that is IDL 8. But all this talk is not helping......
R
On Dec 21, 3:50 pm, David Fanning <n...@dfanning.com> wrote:
> Russell writes:
>> I've recently graduated to IDL >8 (specifically 8.1), and for the most
>> part everything is in good shape. I don't, on the other hand, use
>> many of the new features and largely still do things "the old
>> fashioned way" (e.g. using things like the procedural plotting
>> routines) because I work closely with people who are still using IDL
>> 7.x and we share code. I'm anxious to learn about the new features
>> (and bugs), when my collaborators catch up!
>
> Yes, in my own informal survey, the people who
> "really like" IDL 8 fall into three groups.
>
> 80% "haven't really gotten around to using
> it yet", but they have run the demos and read
> the marketing materials.
>
> 19.5% use it, but "don't really use the new
> features all that much".
>
> 0.5% find lists and hashes to be the cat's meow.
>
> Lord help us when the direct graphics system is
> cut off for good.
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> Still, it installs pretty good, if you're not running
> in on a Macintosh computer. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> --
> David Fanning, Ph.D.
> Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming:http://www.idlcoyote.com/
> Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: One Reason Python is not taking over for IDL [message #78847 is a reply to message #78762] |
Wed, 21 December 2011 12:50 |
David Fanning
Messages: 11724
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Russell writes:
> I've recently graduated to IDL >8 (specifically 8.1), and for the most
> part everything is in good shape. I don't, on the other hand, use
> many of the new features and largely still do things "the old
> fashioned way" (e.g. using things like the procedural plotting
> routines) because I work closely with people who are still using IDL
> 7.x and we share code. I'm anxious to learn about the new features
> (and bugs), when my collaborators catch up!
Yes, in my own informal survey, the people who
"really like" IDL 8 fall into three groups.
80% "haven't really gotten around to using
it yet", but they have run the demos and read
the marketing materials.
19.5% use it, but "don't really use the new
features all that much".
0.5% find lists and hashes to be the cat's meow.
Lord help us when the direct graphics system is
cut off for good.
Still, it installs pretty good, if you're not running
in on a Macintosh computer. ;-)
Cheers,
David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thui. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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