| Does the IDLDE regularly hang for anyone else? [message #85949] |
Fri, 20 September 2013 10:41  |
b_gom
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I'm using IDL 8.2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and the IDE is constantly hanging at random times. Often it is when I'm editing code, but it also happens sometimes when accessing menus or during program execution. I see this on more than one machine, but the problem is completely non-reproducible. Sometimes a session runs for hours, sometimes only for minutes.
I suspect an interaction with some Windows .NET updates, but I can't put my finger on it. Anyone else having trouble with the IDE suddenly hanging with an hourglass?
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| Re: Does the IDLDE regularly hang for anyone else? [message #85974 is a reply to message #85949] |
Sun, 22 September 2013 15:28  |
timothyja123
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On Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:41:24 AM UTC+10, b_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'm using IDL 8.2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and the IDE is constantly hanging at random times. Often it is when I'm editing code, but it also happens sometimes when accessing menus or during program execution. I see this on more than one machine, but the problem is completely non-reproducible. Sometimes a session runs for hours, sometimes only for minutes.
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> I suspect an interaction with some Windows .NET updates, but I can't put my finger on it. Anyone else having trouble with the IDE suddenly hanging with an hourglass?
Yes all the time. It took me a while to figure out what was going on. In my case it is 100% reproduceable. In the main IDL program I maintain it has code like this scattered around the place:
CATCH, errorNum
IF (errorNum NE 0) THEN BEGIN
CATCH, /Cancel
HELP, /Last_Message, Output = lastError
v = DIALOG_MESSAGE(LastError)
Error = LastError[0]
RETURN
ENDIF
So while I'm working on updates if I hit an error a popup comes up telling me where the error is. The problem is if I leave this popup open and start using the IDE to edit files etc it will freeze, sometimes it doesnt freeze right away but it will always freeze eventually. No that you remind me a think I will finally create a test program and submit a bug report for this.
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| Re: Does the IDLDE regularly hang for anyone else? [message #85975 is a reply to message #85949] |
Sun, 22 September 2013 15:53 |
timothyja123
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On Monday, September 23, 2013 8:52:47 AM UTC+10, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 23, 2013 8:28:24 AM UTC+10, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> I'm using IDL 8.2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and the IDE is constantly hanging at random times. Often it is when I'm editing code, but it also happens sometimes when accessing menus or during program execution. I see this on more than one machine, but the problem is completely non-reproducible. Sometimes a session runs for hours, sometimes only for minutes.
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>>> I suspect an interaction with some Windows .NET updates, but I can't put my finger on it. Anyone else having trouble with the IDE suddenly hanging with an hourglass?
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>> So while I'm working on updates if I hit an error a popup comes up telling me where the error is. The problem is if I leave this popup open and start using the IDE to edit files etc it will freeze, sometimes it doesnt freeze right away but it will always freeze eventually. No that you remind me a think I will finally create a test program and submit a bug report for this.
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> Hmm seems like its not as easy to reproduce (outside of my application) as I thought. Can get it to hang using my test program.
*Can't* get it to hang using my test program.
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| Re: Does the IDLDE regularly hang for anyone else? [message #86001 is a reply to message #85977] |
Mon, 23 September 2013 14:39 |
b_gom
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The problems I'm running into might be slightly different. Here's all I can say:
1) they are random in time. Sometimes my session lasts for an hour, sometimes 5 minutes.
2) sometimes the IDE remains responsive in that I can click the menu buttons, for example 'compile', and the "IDL> .compile -v 'name'" line shows up in the console, but the compiler doesn't actually do anything. The editor does not take input, and no other commands execute in the console
3) they don't seem to be related to execution of a specific piece of code. Sometimes the session hangs just when editing, sometimes it hangs when I try to run a program, sometimes it hangs when a file dialog or some other GUI interface is being used.
I'm not sure if the debugger could be implicated somehow, but I've also noticed oddities with the debugging mode breakpoints. Often these seem to jump around or get duplicated while editing code and compiling.
It could also be an issue with the Dell Precision workstations that we use. I have had strange network-related problems in the past with LabView that only seem to occur on certain Dell machines. Its worth noting, though, that IDL is the only program on my current workstations that is giving me any kind of trouble.
I think I'll try pulling out software piece by piece and reinstalling to see if that helps.
On Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-6, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> No, I wouldn't have thought so. In fact, I doubt you can do much of
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> You can use pretty much everything in the IDE except the console (it just takes commands and doesnt do anything until the dialog is closed). This is fine, the problem is (at least for me) that once the IDE does freeze even if you close the blocking dialog its too late once the workspace hangs thats it. Closing the dialog now will not stop the IDE hanging. You have to launch the task manager and kill the IDE then reopen it possibly loosing unsaved work. This is why I consider it a bug, not so much the hanging but the fact it doent recover.
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| Re: Does the IDLDE regularly hang for anyone else? [message #86005 is a reply to message #86004] |
Mon, 23 September 2013 16:05 |
David Fanning
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Bogdanovist writes:
> One thing I noticed is that it can sometimes crash (but not always) if I compile a running .pro. Under IDL7 I got lazy and realised that instead of stopping then re-compiling, the re-compile button effectively does both, saving a mouse click and delaying carpal tunnel a little bit longer. This worked fine under IDL7 but will crash the IDLDE under IDL8 too often to make it worthwhile. I'm trying to break the habit with mixed success.
Ah, there was a problem, finally corrected, but I am not sure in which
version of IDL 8.x, that involved recompiling main-level programs that
had stopped with an error. I do remember crashes and huge annoyance with
this, until I retrained my fingers to type .reset before re-compiling
stopped main-level programs. I never had this problem with procedures
and functions.
Cheers,
David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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| Re: Does the IDLDE regularly hang for anyone else? [message #86038 is a reply to message #86003] |
Wed, 25 September 2013 10:44 |
b_gom
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I should clarify that these problems are with IDL 8.2.3, but I also had problems with the earlier 8.2 release.
Yesterday I uninstalled IDL and removed all traces of JAVA on my machine. I reinstalled IDL, and so far today everything seems ok. I'll wait and see if JAVA was to blame.
On Monday, September 23, 2013 4:01:26 PM UTC-6, David Fanning wrote:
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> Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
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> Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
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