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Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87338] Sat, 25 January 2014 18:52 Go to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
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Folks,

In building an object program recently I have a core object that
inherits IDL_CONTAINER, IDLitCOMPONENT, and IDL_OBJECT objects. I don't
know the field or tag names of *any* of these objects, which makes
choosing names for my own object a bit of an adventure.

I've already run into conflict with _parent, _name, and _uvalue. Of
course, this is not surprising. Great minds think alike and all that.
But, I wonder if there is a listing of the tag names these objects use?

It would be wonderful if the name space of objects could be protected,
but failing that, it would be great if we knew what names we can't use.

Cheers,

David
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Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87339 is a reply to message #87338] Sat, 25 January 2014 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
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David Fanning writes:

> In building an object program recently I have a core object that
> inherits IDL_CONTAINER, IDLitCOMPONENT, and IDL_OBJECT objects. I don't
> know the field or tag names of *any* of these objects, which makes
> choosing names for my own object a bit of an adventure.
>
> I've already run into conflict with _parent, _name, and _uvalue. Of
> course, this is not surprising. Great minds think alike and all that.
> But, I wonder if there is a listing of the tag names these objects use?
>
> It would be wonderful if the name space of objects could be protected,
> but failing that, it would be great if we knew what names we can't use.

You may be thinking, "Who cares!? I don't see why this is important."

Here is an example. Presumably the uvalue of one of these objects is
whatever I want it to be. It certainly works that way. So, I guess it
must be something that looks like a pointer. But, I want to have a user
value that I can transfer data into without making an extra copy of the
data. In other words, if I were going to put this in a pointer, I would
do this:

uvalue = Ptr_New(bigData, /No_Copy)

Is this possible with the uvalue in IDLitComponent (where I suspect this
is located)? If so, how would I do it?

Cheers,

David
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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87340 is a reply to message #87338] Sat, 25 January 2014 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Galloy is currently offline  Michael Galloy
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On 1/25/14, 7:52 PM, David Fanning wrote:
> Folks,
>
> In building an object program recently I have a core object that
> inherits IDL_CONTAINER, IDLitCOMPONENT, and IDL_OBJECT objects. I don't
> know the field or tag names of *any* of these objects, which makes
> choosing names for my own object a bit of an adventure.
>
> I've already run into conflict with _parent, _name, and _uvalue. Of
> course, this is not surprising. Great minds think alike and all that.
> But, I wonder if there is a listing of the tag names these objects use?
>
> It would be wonderful if the name space of objects could be protected,
> but failing that, it would be great if we knew what names we can't use.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>

IDL> help, { idl_object }
** Structure IDL_OBJECT, 3 tags, length=24, data length=20:
IDL_OBJECT_TOP LONG64 0
__OBJ__ OBJREF <NullObject>
IDL_OBJECT_BOTTOM
LONG64 0
IDL> help, { idl_container }
** Structure IDL_CONTAINER, 6 tags, length=32, data length=30:
IDL_CONTAINER_TOP
LONG64 0
IDLCONTAINERVERSION
INT 0
PHEAD POINTER <NullPointer>
PTAIL POINTER <NullPointer>
NLIST LONG 0
IDL_CONTAINER_BOTTOM
LONG64 0
IDL> help, { idlitcomponent }
** Structure IDLITCOMPONENT, 14 tags, length=128, data length=122:
IDLITCOMPONENT_TOP
LONG64 0
IDLITCOMPONENTVERSION
INT 0
DESCRIPTION STRING ''
NAME STRING ''
ICON STRING ''
IDENTIFIER STRING ''
HELP STRING ''
TOOL OBJREF <NullObject>
UVALUE POINTER <NullPointer>
_PARENT OBJREF <NullObject>
_PROXY OBJREF <NullObject>
PROPERTYDESCRIPTORS
OBJREF <NullObject>
_FLAGS LONG 0
IDLITCOMPONENT_BOTTOM
LONG64 0

Mike
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Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87341 is a reply to message #87340] Sat, 25 January 2014 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
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Michael Galloy writes:

> IDL> help, { idl_object }
> ** Structure IDL_OBJECT, 3 tags, length=24, data length=20:
> IDL_OBJECT_TOP LONG64 0
> __OBJ__ OBJREF <NullObject>
> IDL_OBJECT_BOTTOM
> LONG64 0

Woohoo! Thanks.

Is this another example of operator overloading?

Cheers,

David
--
David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87343 is a reply to message #87341] Sun, 26 January 2014 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Galloy is currently offline  Michael Galloy
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David Fanning <news@idlcoyote.com> wrote:
> Michael Galloy writes:
>
>>> help, { idl_object }
>> ** Structure IDL_OBJECT, 3 tags, length=24, data length=20:
>> IDL_OBJECT_TOP LONG64 0
>> __OBJ__ OBJREF <NullObject>
>> IDL_OBJECT_BOTTOM
>> LONG64 0
>
> Woohoo! Thanks.
>
> Is this another example of operator overloading?
>
> Cheers,
>
> David

I don't believe so. IDL objects have always been a named structure
definition plus more.

Mike
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Research Mathematician
Tech-X Corporation
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87344 is a reply to message #87343] Sun, 26 January 2014 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
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Michael Galloy writes:

>
> David Fanning <news@idlcoyote.com> wrote:
>> Michael Galloy writes:
>>
>>>> help, { idl_object }
>>> ** Structure IDL_OBJECT, 3 tags, length=24, data length=20:
>>> IDL_OBJECT_TOP LONG64 0
>>> __OBJ__ OBJREF <NullObject>
>>> IDL_OBJECT_BOTTOM
>>> LONG64 0
>>
>> Woohoo! Thanks.
>>
>> Is this another example of operator overloading?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David
>
> I don't believe so. IDL objects have always been a named structure
> definition plus more.

I wonder if someone can check this for us in IDL 7, just to be sure.

Cheers,

David

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David Fanning, Ph.D.
Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87345 is a reply to message #87344] Sun, 26 January 2014 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lajos Foldy is currently offline  Lajos Foldy
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On Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:41:57 PM UTC+1, David Fanning wrote:

>>>> > help, { idl_object }
>>>> ** Structure IDL_OBJECT, 3 tags, length=24, data length=20:
>>>> IDL_OBJECT_TOP LONG64 0
>>>> __OBJ__ OBJREF <NullObject>
>>>> IDL_OBJECT_BOTTOM
>>>> LONG64 0
>
> I wonder if someone can check this for us in IDL 7, just to be sure.
>

IDL> print, !version
{ sparc sunos unix 5.3 Nov 11 1999}
IDL> help, {idl_container}, /str
** Structure IDL_CONTAINER, 6 tags, length=32:
IDL_CONTAINER_TOP
DOUBLE = 0.0000000
IDLCONTAINERVERSION
INT = 0
PHEAD POINTER <NullPointer>
PTAIL POINTER <NullPointer>
NLIST LONG 0
IDL_CONTAINER_BOTTOM
DOUBLE = 0.0000000
IDL>

(I think IDL_OBJECT was introduced in IDL8).

regards,
Lajos
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87346 is a reply to message #87345] Sun, 26 January 2014 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Fanning is currently offline  David Fanning
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fawltylanguage@gmail.com writes:

>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:41:57 PM UTC+1, David Fanning wrote:
>
>>>> >> help, { idl_object }
>>>> > ** Structure IDL_OBJECT, 3 tags, length=24, data length=20:
>>>> > IDL_OBJECT_TOP LONG64 0
>>>> > __OBJ__ OBJREF <NullObject>
>>>> > IDL_OBJECT_BOTTOM
>>>> > LONG64 0
>>
>> I wonder if someone can check this for us in IDL 7, just to be sure.
>>
>
> IDL> print, !version
> { sparc sunos unix 5.3 Nov 11 1999}
> IDL> help, {idl_container}, /str
> ** Structure IDL_CONTAINER, 6 tags, length=32:
> IDL_CONTAINER_TOP
> DOUBLE = 0.0000000
> IDLCONTAINERVERSION
> INT = 0
> PHEAD POINTER <NullPointer>
> PTAIL POINTER <NullPointer>
> NLIST LONG 0
> IDL_CONTAINER_BOTTOM
> DOUBLE = 0.0000000
> IDL>
>
> (I think IDL_OBJECT was introduced in IDL8).

Yikes! What you learn about IDL every day! ;-)

Cheers,

David

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Fanning Software Consulting, Inc.
Coyote's Guide to IDL Programming: http://www.idlcoyote.com/
Sepore ma de ni thue. ("Perhaps thou speakest truth.")
Re: Object Field Name Conflicts [message #87347 is a reply to message #87345] Sun, 26 January 2014 13:28 Go to previous message
Phillip Bitzer is currently offline  Phillip Bitzer
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Registered: June 2006
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On Sunday, January 26, 2014 10:07:19 AM UTC-6, fawltyl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> (I think IDL_OBJECT was introduced in IDL8).
>

Yep: http://www.exelisvis.com/docs/IDL_Object.html

On Sunday, January 26, 2014 10:09:29 AM UTC-6, David Fanning wrote:

>
> Yikes! What you learn about IDL every day! ;-)
>

No kidding. It doesn't surprise me, but I definitely didn't know about the help, {obj_name} to get the "tags" of an object.
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