| spam is destroying this group [message #94886] |
Tue, 21 November 2017 13:42  |
Patrick Broos
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I find that I'm less and less inclined to participate in our useful IDL group because the fraction of spam messages seems to be going up and up. Is there any way to save our group from this scourge?
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94905 is a reply to message #94892] |
Thu, 30 November 2017 12:02  |
benjamin.castellani
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On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 11:12:03 AM UTC-7, Patrick Broos wrote:
> I had never heard of the Harris IDL forum before your post.
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> If anyone from Harris is listening, you should really think about finding a way to combine these two mechanisms for IDL users to communicate, in a way that preserves the best features of both environments. Not an easy task, I suppose. But, if you don't engage the next generation of IDL programmers, IDL will fade into dust.
We highly recommend that you post your questions in the official IDL Forum: http://www.harrisgeospatial.com/Support/Forums/tabid/2342/af f/217/Default.aspx
This is monitored daily and is moderated, but you do need to be a registered user of HarrisGeospatial.com. There is a (slight) delay to approve topics and replies.
We also check this Google forum as well, but we will respond here much less frequently. We are evaluating options to improve the overall experience for IDL users in the community forums, and therefore greatly value your feedback!
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94919 is a reply to message #94906] |
Sun, 10 December 2017 18:41 |
wlandsman
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I am going to try going through the process of creating a moderated newsgroup comp.lang.idl-envi
Much of the information online about creating a moderated newsgroup appears to be outdated, with a lot of broken links. However, it appears that new moderated newsgroups have been successfully created this year, so I will go ahead and create a RFD (request for discussion).
I chose the name because (1) apparently it is very difficult to switch a group to moderated and keep the same name (2) the name comp.lang.idl is reserved for the completely unrelated Interface Definition Language, (3) there have been only a handful of posts about PV-WAVE in this group since 1992, when PV-WAVE began diverging from its common origin with IDL, and (4) given the number of previous ownership changes, I don't believe we can assume a continued association of IDL with Harris Geospatial. However, the association of IDL with Envi seems quite firm. (It seems that Envi is currently the main driver of developments to the IDL language.)
If I succeed in creating a moderated newsgroup, it would be useful to have one or two other moderators, preferably in a different time zone than me. (I am in Washington DC). I would also eventually need to have other users vote in favor of the creation of the moderated newsgroup.
My experience with moderated newsgroups is that they are quite effective in eliminating spam, although there can be a delay of a few hours before a post appears. But posting will still be available to anyone without any registration.
Comments welcome. --Wayne
On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 4:28:09 AM UTC-5, Nikola Vitas wrote:
> Perhaps the group does not need to be moderated as long as someone has right to remove spam from the group. I'm getting daily digest from the group on my email. Although I reported all the spam, I still see them in the digest. It's becoming increasingly annoying. It's also very bad for attracting new users.
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> Is there any way to appoint a moderator at all? Does it matter who founded the group ages ago?
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94920 is a reply to message #94919] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 01:22 |
Mats Löfdahl
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Den måndag 11 december 2017 kl. 03:41:33 UTC+1 skrev wlandsman:
> I am going to try going through the process of creating a moderated newsgroup comp.lang.idl-envi
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> Much of the information online about creating a moderated newsgroup appears to be outdated, with a lot of broken links. However, it appears that new moderated newsgroups have been successfully created this year, so I will go ahead and create a RFD (request for discussion).
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> I chose the name because (1) apparently it is very difficult to switch a group to moderated and keep the same name (2) the name comp.lang.idl is reserved for the completely unrelated Interface Definition Language, (3) there have been only a handful of posts about PV-WAVE in this group since 1992, when PV-WAVE began diverging from its common origin with IDL, and (4) given the number of previous ownership changes, I don't believe we can assume a continued association of IDL with Harris Geospatial. However, the association of IDL with Envi seems quite firm. (It seems that Envi is currently the main driver of developments to the IDL language.)
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> If I succeed in creating a moderated newsgroup, it would be useful to have one or two other moderators, preferably in a different time zone than me. (I am in Washington DC). I would also eventually need to have other users vote in favor of the creation of the moderated newsgroup.
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> My experience with moderated newsgroups is that they are quite effective in eliminating spam, although there can be a delay of a few hours before a post appears. But posting will still be available to anyone without any registration.
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> Comments welcome. --Wayne
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> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 4:28:09 AM UTC-5, Nikola Vitas wrote:
>> Perhaps the group does not need to be moderated as long as someone has right to remove spam from the group. I'm getting daily digest from the group on my email. Although I reported all the spam, I still see them in the digest. It's becoming increasingly annoying. It's also very bad for attracting new users.
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>> Is there any way to appoint a moderator at all? Does it matter who founded the group ages ago?
Sounds like a great idea!
/Mats
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94921 is a reply to message #94920] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 04:34 |
markb77
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On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 10:22:45 AM UTC+1, Mats Löfdahl wrote:
> Den måndag 11 december 2017 kl. 03:41:33 UTC+1 skrev wlandsman:
>> I am going to try going through the process of creating a moderated newsgroup comp.lang.idl-envi
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>> Much of the information online about creating a moderated newsgroup appears to be outdated, with a lot of broken links. However, it appears that new moderated newsgroups have been successfully created this year, so I will go ahead and create a RFD (request for discussion).
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>> I chose the name because (1) apparently it is very difficult to switch a group to moderated and keep the same name (2) the name comp.lang.idl is reserved for the completely unrelated Interface Definition Language, (3) there have been only a handful of posts about PV-WAVE in this group since 1992, when PV-WAVE began diverging from its common origin with IDL, and (4) given the number of previous ownership changes, I don't believe we can assume a continued association of IDL with Harris Geospatial. However, the association of IDL with Envi seems quite firm. (It seems that Envi is currently the main driver of developments to the IDL language.)
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>> If I succeed in creating a moderated newsgroup, it would be useful to have one or two other moderators, preferably in a different time zone than me. (I am in Washington DC). I would also eventually need to have other users vote in favor of the creation of the moderated newsgroup.
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>> My experience with moderated newsgroups is that they are quite effective in eliminating spam, although there can be a delay of a few hours before a post appears. But posting will still be available to anyone without any registration.
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>> Comments welcome. --Wayne
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>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 4:28:09 AM UTC-5, Nikola Vitas wrote:
>>> Perhaps the group does not need to be moderated as long as someone has right to remove spam from the group. I'm getting daily digest from the group on my email. Although I reported all the spam, I still see them in the digest. It's becoming increasingly annoying. It's also very bad for attracting new users.
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>>> Is there any way to appoint a moderator at all? Does it matter who founded the group ages ago?
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> Sounds like a great idea!
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> /Mats
Why not also inquire about switching this group to "moderated"? The value of this newsgroup is the accumulated history of the messages.
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94931 is a reply to message #94922] |
Fri, 15 December 2017 02:55 |
Nikola
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On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 3:58:15 PM UTC, wlandsman wrote:
> On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 7:34:25 AM UTC-5, superchromix wrote:
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>> Why not also inquire about switching this group to "moderated"? The value of this newsgroup is the accumulated history of the messages.
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> Yes, it would be ideal to keep the same name. I have read that this is difficult because individual Usenet servers would need to be updated to identify the group as moderated, and spam could still get through on those servers that are not updated. But I have asked if this is possible on
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> news.announce.newgroups
> news.groups.proposals
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> --Wayne
If you still need someone to moderate the new list, I'd be happy to help. I'm in UTC+0.
Is there a way to archive the history of this group? I found a couple of tips around, but haven't tried any of these. For example:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23522705/download-all-me ssages-from-a-google-group
Best,
Nikola
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94939 is a reply to message #94931] |
Tue, 26 December 2017 11:23 |
Wayne Landsman
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Registered: January 1997
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Nikola, thanks for the offer. I have delayed trying to get a
moderated newsgroup for reasons I will explain in a subsequent post.
Meanwhile, those with access to Mozilla Thunderbird can use their news
reader capability to eliminate most spam. I use the server
nntp.aioe.org. I then have access to the usual mail filters to
eliminate certain users ("asmagan" "soma") or common keywords in spam
headers. I find that I can eliminate 95% of the spam with five
filters, and the rest are permanently deleted with a single click.
Unfortunately, most mail systems (e.g. Outlook, Apple mail) do not offer
access to news readers so this is not a general solution.
--Wayne
On 12/15/2017 05:55 AM, Nikola Vitas wrote:
> On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 3:58:15 PM UTC, wlandsman wrote:
>> On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 7:34:25 AM UTC-5, superchromix wrote:
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>>> Why not also inquire about switching this group to "moderated"? The value of this newsgroup is the accumulated history of the messages.
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>> Yes, it would be ideal to keep the same name. I have read that this is difficult because individual Usenet servers would need to be updated to identify the group as moderated, and spam could still get through on those servers that are not updated. But I have asked if this is possible on
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>> news.announce.newgroups
>> news.groups.proposals
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>> --Wayne
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> If you still need someone to moderate the new list, I'd be happy to help. I'm in UTC+0.
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> Is there a way to archive the history of this group? I found a couple of tips around, but haven't tried any of these. For example:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23522705/download-all-me ssages-from-a-google-group
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> Best,
> Nikola
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| Re: spam is destroying this group [message #94942 is a reply to message #94919] |
Wed, 27 December 2017 12:28 |
laura.hike
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On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 6:41:33 PM UTC-8, wlandsman wrote:
> I am going to try going through the process of creating a moderated newsgroup comp.lang.idl-envi
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> Much of the information online about creating a moderated newsgroup appears to be outdated, with a lot of broken links. However, it appears that new moderated newsgroups have been successfully created this year, so I will go ahead and create a RFD (request for discussion).
>
> I chose the name because (1) apparently it is very difficult to switch a group to moderated and keep the same name (2) the name comp.lang.idl is reserved for the completely unrelated Interface Definition Language, (3) there have been only a handful of posts about PV-WAVE in this group since 1992, when PV-WAVE began diverging from its common origin with IDL, and (4) given the number of previous ownership changes, I don't believe we can assume a continued association of IDL with Harris Geospatial. However, the association of IDL with Envi seems quite firm. (It seems that Envi is currently the main driver of developments to the IDL language.)
>
> If I succeed in creating a moderated newsgroup, it would be useful to have one or two other moderators, preferably in a different time zone than me. (I am in Washington DC). I would also eventually need to have other users vote in favor of the creation of the moderated newsgroup.
>
> My experience with moderated newsgroups is that they are quite effective in eliminating spam, although there can be a delay of a few hours before a post appears. But posting will still be available to anyone without any registration.
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> Comments welcome. --Wayne
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> On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 4:28:09 AM UTC-5, Nikola Vitas wrote:
>> Perhaps the group does not need to be moderated as long as someone has right to remove spam from the group. I'm getting daily digest from the group on my email. Although I reported all the spam, I still see them in the digest. It's becoming increasingly annoying. It's also very bad for attracting new users.
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>> Is there any way to appoint a moderator at all? Does it matter who founded the group ages ago?
The problem with having a moderator is that posts will be delayed. One of the beauties of this group is that you can get a response while you're still working on the problem. I can't imagine a moderator waiting around to approve posts every time one is made.
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