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Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) [message #14422 is a reply to message #14330]

Mon, 22 February 1999 00:00

ajschmitt
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Registered: February 1999

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In article <21FEB199900213357@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
landsman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Wayne Landsman) wrote:
> Versions 5.1.1 and 5.2 of IDL have a bug in the RANDOMU (and RANDOMN) function
> such that the SEED variable is initialized to the same value at the start of
> each session, rather than being intialized by the system clock (see example
> below). I believe that so long as one as one stays within one IDL session
> that this causes no problems, but if one is, say, combining Monte Carlo
> simulations from different IDL sessions, then the results will be decidedly
> unrandom.
>
> RSI knows about this problem and say that they are giving it very high
> priority for a fix.
>
This is not the worst of it. For some of us, it is important to be able
to have the same seed so that the same "random" sequence is produced.
However, RSI quietly changed the manner in which the SEED variable
interacts with the RANDOM functions between version 5.0 & 5.1.

Consider the following behavior from IDL v 5..0.3:
IDL> seed = 2 & print, randomu(seed, 3)
0.342299 0.402381 0.307838
...doing this multiple times will always give the same result.

However, in IDL v.5..1 & later,. using this several times in a row
produces different results each time.:
IDL> seed = 2 & print, randomu(seed, 3)
0.0594004 0.982075 0.358593
IDL> seed = 2 & print, randomu(seed, 3)
0.831999 0.303037 0.506712

...etcetera. It turns out that you now have to specify a NEGATIVE seed
in order for it to have any influence on the generated sequence:

seed = -2 & print, randomu(seed, 3)
0.342299 0.402381 0.307838
seed = -2 & print, randomu(seed, 3)
0.342299 0.402381 0.307838

I assume that RSI knows about this (since it's documented in the new online
help file), but they didn't see fit to mention it in the release notes
accompanying version 5.1. Whatever reason they may have had for changing
this behavior (which has been working the previous way since IDL version 1.0
at least 14 years ago) I cannot fathom. (Is there some reason someone would
bother to set the seed only to have it be ignored by the random functions???)

This new "feature" caused one of my coworkers to waste more than a day
of his time tracking down the poorly documented change. Needless to say,
we are not very satisfied with RSI about this.

-Andy Schmitt

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		RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: landsman on Sun, 21 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: ajschmitt on Wed, 24 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug By: Ivan Zimine on Wed, 24 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: steinhh on Wed, 24 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: thompson on Tue, 23 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: landsman on Tue, 23 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: landsman on Mon, 22 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: davidf on Mon, 22 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: ajschmitt on Mon, 22 February 1999 00:00
		Re: RANDOMU bug (and HTML help) By: mallors on Mon, 22 February 1999 00:00

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