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Re: Mac OSX [message #27109 is a reply to message #27034]

Tue, 09 October 2001 16:01

gschneider
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Registered: October 2001

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The recent turn-about by RSI (now Kodak) has hit us hard.
Here is an email I sent to RSI about this. I urge other
Mac platform IDL users to follow suit:

Dear Mr. Powell,

As I have now seen your recent statement regarding
RSI's dropping of IDL for MacOS in future releases,
I am forwarding an email I sent to Eileen yesterday.

Our immediate group (NICMOS Project @ UofA) has
eight current IDL/Mac licences in use. I realize
that this is not a huge number, but we are all
upset that you are deserting us. I have discussed this with
each of them and I can say my letter speaks for all.

I should add since my letter that your offer to:

> Customers using RSI products on one of these platforms can transfer their
> licenses to another supported platform at no additional cost if they are
> currently on maintenance.

is rather hollow as it is not a viable alternative for us as we
have made substantial commitments in H/W, S/W, and time
developing our Macintosh based environments. This is not simply
a matter of cost (though we are not please about the suggested
concept of abandoning all of our Macintosh hardware) but also
of productivity. To say we are dissapointed is an understatement.

Glenn Schneider

From: STOSC::GSCHNEIDER "Glenn Schneider, mail forward from stsci.edu" 8-OC
T-2001 19:04:15.90
To: SMTP%"efield@rsinc.com",SMTP%"info@researchsystems.com"
CC: GSCHNEIDER
Subj: Termination of IDL/Noesys under MacOS

Dear Eileen & RSI,

Having just returned from the ADASS XI conference,
where I gave a talk extolling the merits of IDL and
IDL+Noesys for astronomical data analysis, I was
both shocked and saddened to learn of RSI's apparent decision
to drop support for both under MacOS. As the NICMOS
Project's Instrument Scientist at Steward Observatory I have
been a long time user of both IDL (on several platforms),
Transform (reborn in Noesys), and Mac OS. The later is
by far my environment of choice, and I routinely use both
RSI products to reduce and analyze large volumes of HST data
under Mac OS for myself, our team, and others in
the astronomical community.

Years ago our Instrument team selected IDL as our
research and development environment in part because
of its cross-platform support. We have had, and
continue to have, a significant number of dedicated Mac OS
users in our group and the impending loss of IDL (and
Transform under Noesys) will deal us a significant blow.
I am sure I speak for more than just myself when I ask
if this is an irrevocable decision? I had wondered
what changes might be afoot with Kodak's acquisition
of RSI, but I had never dreamed we would have our
support cut off at the knees. Did you query your
user community before reaching this decision, or was
it taken unilaterally? I understand that IDL and Noesys
is the intellectual property of RSI, now Kodak, and it
certainly is within your right to make such a decision.
I could possibly understand that decision if your
company had decided to terminate the product line, but
to drop support from one platform in particular, i.e.,
under Mac OS is unfathomable. I would ask if you would
reconsider this, as I feel that you are doing more than
a disservice to a significant user community, but by
doing so would forever earn their rightful distrust.

Respectfully,
Glenn Schneider, Ph.D.
NICMOS Project Instrument Scientist
Steward Observatory
University of Arizona

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