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Re: Continuing Linux Education [message #47451 is a reply to message #47306] Fri, 10 February 2006 15:21 Go to previous message
David Kastrup is currently offline  David Kastrup
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JD Smith <jdsmith@as.arizona.edu> writes:

> Didn't realize you read our group!

Well, it's been quite a bit of time since I actively used IDL. I am
afraid this was a vanity keyword search.

> I apologize for any mis-characterization, but I definitely
> understand your difficulties. I have similar troubles trying to get
> IDLWAVE to play nice within both GNU Emacs and XEmacs, and as a
> result it tends to work best on my platform of choice: GNU Emacs.
> GNU Emacs has it's own flavor of development "lock-in", with the
> result that it is incredibly difficult to keep a single complex
> package up to date on both platforms, even when code
> incompatibilities are not the issue. This is really a natural
> consequence of the ancient schism between these two camps, and
> there's really not much that can be done about it, it seems.

Well, I am of the opinion that it could be dealt with quite better in
the XEmacs case. When contacting the developer mailing list about any
problem, I most of the time get the impression of far more face-saving
instead of actual improvement going on, even if you are prepared to do
most of the work yourself.

>> Guffaw. 21.1 would be rather old. 21.4 is the last _released_
>> version, but many people nowadays work with a snapshot of what is
>> to become 22.1.
>
> Yes, and perhaps sometime this year we'll have a release of Emacs 22
> in hand! This by the way points out one major advantage XEmacs has
> over Emacs: it decouples its core releases from add-on packages
> (like IDLWAVE), so they can be updated more often than every 4-5
> years.

But they synch the core releases with upstream Emacs quite rarely.
They have not even synched most of the stuff in Emacs 21.1 from 5
years ago or so. Stuff like syntax highlighting.

Having more frequent updates to outdated code is not that much of an
advantage.

> I have some code I contributed to the CVS tools of GNU Emacs in
> late 2000 that has not yet gone into a shipping Emacs version.

Yes, the current release holdup is a nuisance. 23.1 will be better.

> Thanks for your efforts with AUCTeX. I use it, and the Reftex
> module of Carsten Dominick (former IDLWAVE maintainer) nearly every
> day.

Ah, I didn't know that Carsten was responsible for idlwave. Thanks
for the heads-up.

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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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